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Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / I Just bought a Seagull S6 Anniversaire Spruce
StratDom
Contributing Member

Eastern Mass

I need a vacation
Sep 1st, 2002 12:28 PM   Edit   Profile

I was all set to spend 4 times more on a Rainsong, but for $400 I got the guitar and new fangled foam case. At that price I just couldn't leave it at the store. Laminated flame veneer maple back and sides, solid spruce top, bound flame veneer head stock, gold hardware with plastic pegs, gloss finish. The case is odd, but apparently it will provide good protection which is cool. All that and a fancy Certificate of Authenticity too ;-D .

A real nice sounding guitar and looks great too. A bit bright sounding but with good new strings and some time I figure it'll mellow out. Setup fairly low with no buzz at all. I also tried the Aniv. Cedar which was warmer, but I preferred the Spruce.

With the money I saved, I can go out and buy some more gear!

Example

Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Rainsong guitars? You Played One Yet?
dsixpack

Joplin,Mo.on Route66

"play when I can, work when I should"
Oct 27th, 2002 07:14 AM   Edit   Profile

I remember reading som reports about them a couple years ago. Not well recieved then.
But, I went into a store yesterday, and the salesman forces this slightly store damaged (from getting dropped) Rainsong WS1000 model into my hand, and says,"Just play it a while".
He said it was a $2200. guitar, that they were trying to get $700. for. The damage had NO effect on the sound what-so-ever.
I gotta tell ya. Except for the slightly higher action than I like, this new model sounded Fantastic!
I kinda also dig the shark inlays.
Might go back and get it.
Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Rainsong guitars? You Played One Yet?
StratDom
Contributing Member

Eastern Mass

I need a vacation
Oct 28th, 2002 06:24 PM   Edit   Profile

I posted a thread a while back about the Auditorium model. I played one and I thought it was fantastic. I like the sound, the looks and the fact that it's not wood, but I couldn't handle the price. Resale value just isn't there at that price point. I got a price of $1,700 new.

I wouldn't buy a broken one for $700 either. Selling a used Rainsong at a decent price would be hard enough, but selling a broken one would probably be impossible. I just don't think the market is there and I don't like broken stuff anyway. Dead money.
Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Rainsong guitars? You Played One Yet?
KingPin

Canada

Nov 1st, 2002 10:30 PM   Edit   Profile

Rainsong's are fantastic. They will be a big deal in the future. I'd snap up the slightly damaged one for $700 in a minute if I had the cash. Good guitars that stay rock solid in tune. Different yes but I have a video tape of testimonials from alot of artists and they are all positive.
My .02 cents worth.

Buy it!
Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Rainsong guitars? You Played One Yet?
dsixpack

Joplin,Mo.on Route66

"play when I can, work when I should"
Nov 4th, 2002 05:25 AM   Edit   Profile

Oh No! Pepler, This one didn't sound like crap. Those were the first one's. The new models have been improved greatly. It's just, I haven't talked myself into "Needing" it yet.

And yeah, there are urban legends already about guys losing a paddle while canoeing or something, and being saved by their Rainsong.
LMAO!
Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Rainsong guitars? You Played One Yet?
Mikegilles

Southern California

Mike Gilles
Nov 6th, 2002 05:28 PM   Edit   Profile

I bought my WS-1000 in March of 2001. I fly Citation and Lear Jets for a living and needed a guitar that could not only hold up to the rigors of daily travel, but to be able to withstand extremely cold temperatures. Most of the time, there is not enough room inside the cabin for my guitar so it has to be stowed in the outside baggage hold where the temperatures are regularly 40 to 50 degrees below zero for as long as five hours at a time. I spoke directly with Ray Allen, RainSongís marketing and customer service honcho, who said they would stand behind their warrantee under those conditions. Iím told that the carbon graphite compound used in its construction is shipped to the factory in dry ice. I am here to tell you that the carbon graphite construction holds up so well that I donít even detune the instrument prior to loading and when I get to my hotel room, itís still in perfect tune. I am careful not to open the case until it reaches room temperature so that the condensation doesnít affect the electronics. I brought the guitar in to the Woodinville, Washington factory a couple of months ago where Ray Allen and Ashvin Coomar, the president and CEO, looked it over. They were very pleased to find that Ė after more than 50 flights -- the instrument looked showroom new with just a tiny scratch in the finish (which Ray promptly buffed out). I must warn you that heat is still the enemy of this guitar, and like any high-end guitar, you donít want to leave it in the trunk of your car on a hot summer day. The series 3 and 4 guitars are cured at a higher temperature and these are the preferred instruments.
As far as playability is concerned, the set up from the factory is as good as those from Taylor, meaning they are comfortably low without any string buzz. My WS-1000 has the 1 ĺĒ nut width but the neck is thin enough that many electric guitar players find it comfortable. And what about the sound? I brought my RainSong to several of the Acoustic Guitar Magazine open mic gatherings last year and many felt its sound was one of the best there. In Livermoore, California at the Fretted Friends event, everyone commented on how good it sounded when plugged in. It has the same on-board Fishman blender that Taylor uses with an under saddle pick up and inside microphone. In Valparaiso, Indiana at the Front Porch Music gathering, it was also very well received. One very accomplished player who owns a fleet of fine all-wood guitars, said, ďI really didnít want to like this guitar.Ē It was hard to get it back from him so that I could take my turn at the mic.
A fine all-wood guitar is known for not only the sounds it projects, but for the sounds it absorbs. I own a Collings D-2H and D-1A for flat-picking along with my Martin HD-28, a Lowden F-32 for fingerstyle along with my Martin 000-28EC, so I can appreciate the rich sound that those great guitars can make. When I play my all-wood guitars I hear warmth. When I play the RainSong I hear a slightly more bell-like tone where the highs shimmer. Thatís not to say they donít have any warmth! Iím talking subtleties here. When you think of the RainSong WS-1000, think of a piano. When you envision the jumbo JM 1000, think Grand Piano. I know of several artists who are more impressed with the plugged in sound than unplugged. I needed a guitar that could withstand extreme cold and could handle both the subtleties of fingerstyle and the demands of flatpicking. My WS-1000 not only does that but it has the playability and tone equal to many high-end instruments.
I donít work for RainSong, nor do they pay me for an endorsement, but I can highly recommend their instruments. I bought mine from a shop in Kentucky sight unseen. If you are interested in getting the deal I got, email me and Iíll be happy to refer you to a shop that will sell one for a $100 or more below anyone elseís price.
Regards,
Mike Gilles@aol.com
Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Anyone Got Experience with Gallagher Guitars?
Mikegilles

Southern California

Mike Gilles
Dec 17th, 2002 01:26 AM   Edit   Profile

Gallaghers are played by many fine bluegrass and fingerstyle players. Doc Watson's signature edition was purchased by Steve Kaufman -- three time flatpicking champion -- before they decided to make a signature edition for him. Now I know that Kaufmann plays a Collings 000-2H on a regular basis, but I don't think he's gotten rid of his Gallagher. My advice to you is to test drive a few of the higher end Martins, and then check out some of the Collings before you interview any custom guitar makers. You may fall in love with the perfect guitar for your progeny any step along the way. I guarantee you won't make a mistake if you trust your own instincts. I own 2 Martins, 2 Collings, 1 Lowden, 1 Rainsong, and1 Gibson ES-335 Dot Reissue, and I'm looking for the right Fender for that empty part of my heart. I'm considering a Gallagher 12-string to satisfy those songs that stire my heart as only Roger Mcguinn can do.
Regards,
Mike Gilles
Regards,
Mike Gilles
Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Anyone Got Experience with Gallagher Guitars?
Mikegilles

Southern California

Mike Gilles
Dec 17th, 2002 01:26 AM   Edit   Profile

Gallaghers are played by many fine bluegrass and fingerstyle players. Doc Watson's signature edition was purchased by Steve Kaufman -- three time flatpicking champion -- before they decided to make a signature edition for him. Now I know that Kaufmann plays a Collings 000-2H on a regular basis, but I don't think he's gotten rid of his Gallagher. My advice to you is to test drive a few of the higher end Martins, and then check out some of the Collings before you interview any custom guitar makers. You may fall in love with the perfect guitar for your progeny any step along the way. I guarantee you won't make a mistake if you trust your own instincts. I own 2 Martins, 2 Collings, 1 Lowden, 1 Rainsong, and1 Gibson ES-335 Dot Reissue, and I'm looking for the right Fender for that empty part of my heart. I'm considering a Gallagher 12-string to satisfy those songs that stir my heart as only Roger Mcguinn can do.
Regards,
Mike Gilles
Regards,
Mike Gilles
Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Please enlighten me, please.
Peegoo

Crofton MD

When going gets weird, weird turn pro
Dec 12th, 2002 04:57 PM   Edit   Profile

A lot of a guitar's response and tone comes from the materials and construction. F'rinstance, the X-bracing system (Martin and others) under the guitar's top makes for a sturdy instrument, but restricts the top's movement a bit compared to the older-style fan bracing construction, which is weaker...but more responsive. Spruce is a common top material because it's fairly stiff and light. Cedar is sometimes used (it's a bit mellower sounding), but it's very soft and doesn't stand up to abuse very well. Composite tops (Ovation, Rainsong, ect.) tend to be fairly stiff compared to solid wood, and are perceived by many players to be a bit "brittle" or bright sounding. Finishes also play a part in tone and brightness (moreso than on an electric). As a general rule, the heavier a guitar, the heavier the strings need to be to produce good tone--all other things being equal. These are some examples of what you're asking about...but the only REAL way to determine if a certain type of guitar or construction will work for you is to play as many as you can find, and also have them played *for* you, while you stand about 20 feet away and listen to how they project. Sitting on your lap, a guitar transfers its vibrations to you, which enhances the perceived tone and character of a particular instrument. Move away and listen, and it can be something else altogether. Finding the "right" one for you is not necessarily a means to an end...the journey might be the end in itself. Happy hunting, man!

Geno
Forum/Topic: FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / So what's the deal with Martin?
MJB

Chicago burbs

So many guitars, so little time.
Jan 3rd, 2003 02:38 PM   Edit   Profile

Though both my Martins are "micarta free" I wouldn't let it stop me from buying one. In fact I didn't know if my OM-16GT was micarta or not until I checked out the serial number dating on the UMGF.

Buy and play what you like but if its built well and sounds good why care if its made of silly putty?

Rainsong guitars get lots of praise and they don't have any wood. I may get one someday and stop worrying about humidification.
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