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BlondeStrat

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Oct 5th, 2017 08:58 AM        

As a side note: Guests of the hotel can bring firearms to the major Hotels in Las Vegas. <br /> <br /> The firearms simple need to be announced and turned over to Security to be locked up in the designated secure area.<br /> <br /> I can tell you that this has been the procedure for years and it was done as recently as yesterday.



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Oct 5th, 2017 10:59 AM        

^^ Of course, if you are planning to start shooting a bunch of people from your hotel window, you'll probably skip the stopping in at security part.<br /> <br /> So what is the point?<br /> <br /> Is this procedure backed up by state or local law, or is it just hotel policy?



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Oct 5th, 2017 11:04 AM        

NSR, the *no guns allowed* policy has been discussed many times on the forum here. That should not be a question by now.<br /> <br /> The point is: "as a side note" For anyone thinking or wondering about bringing a firearm to Las Vegas and staying in a Hotel ... it can be done without a bunch of fear or concern.<br /> <br /> That's why I posted it as a "side note" to the discussion on the shooting.<br /> <br /> That's it.



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Oct 5th, 2017 11:16 AM        

"NSR, the *no guns allowed* policy has been discussed many times on the forum here. That should not be a question by now."<br /> <br /> My "what's the point" comment was rhetorical. My last question was not. Some states back up private businesses "no gun" signage with force of law, others, mine for example, do not. <br /> <br /> In my state, I can ignore "no guns" signs all I want.



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Oct 5th, 2017 11:28 AM        

Ok, got it ... I'll take the time for you again. ;)<br /> <br /> State Law does not cover any *no guns allowed* signage.<br /> <br /> These signs are simple the preference of the institution posting it.<br /> <br /> What they can do is use the *trespass law* to evict the offending person. After that said person can again be evicted in the future. Without regard to firearms.<br /> <br /> That's how it works here in the Hotel Casinos.<br /> <br /> I can add: With the current policy of wanding people as they enter even the conceal weapons will most likely be identified.<br /> <br /> I know for a fact that one person was *trespassed* yesterday for refusal to allow security to look in his large bag upon entry to the Casino.<br /> <br /> As some here might be aware, I am talking about Wynn here.



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Oct 5th, 2017 11:43 AM        

All this additional "security" will not stop the next mad man or men. So we are being ruled by fear.<br /> <br /> I don't know weather to laugh, cry or get stupid mad at the lunacy I keep hearing in the news.<br /> <br /> SIL is better according to my daughter, he is back to work. I haven't talked with him yet but I suppose he will have some PTSD symptoms for some time.



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Oct 5th, 2017 11:52 AM        

Thanks -- I get the trespass thing and I don't have a problem with a private business going down that road. <br /> <br /> Generally, if a business is very public about their no gun policy, I just don't give them my money.<br /> <br /> Regarding wanding, I've been to several concerts at venues where there is no posted signage regarding guns only to be confronted by a wand wielding rent a cop. Not once have they detected my firearm. Almost always, they go for my wife and want to search her purse. And she doesn't carry.<br /> <br />



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Oct 5th, 2017 01:22 PM        

Bump stocks--the NRA is now joining the call for the banning of them, which shows that the gun lobby does have a threshold--i.e. political calculus--for accepting government regulation of firearms. Perhaps it will be called the Vegas Standard.



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Oct 5th, 2017 01:44 PM        

The NRA has always been willing to roll on their back and cave to political pressure -- which is why guns owners have a love/hate relationship with them.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately, they are the best we have so we hold our nose and renew our membership every year.<br /> <br /> It's actually pretty comical that the antis demonize the NRA as they do -- the NRA has no interest in squashing the threat of gun control. If they were ever successful, their revenue stream would fly out the window.



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Oct 5th, 2017 01:46 PM        

"Bump stocks--the NRA is now joining the call for the banning of them, which shows that the gun lobby does have a threshold--i.e. political calculus--for accepting government regulation of firearms. Perhaps it will be called the Vegas Standard."<br /> <br /> What I know about them is very limited, but if in fact they take a "legal" gun and make it function like an "illegal" gun or a gun that you need a higher level of license for, then they should be subject to the same restrictions as the "illegal" gun. <br /> <br /> This, of course, ignores the 2A argument that the illegal guns shouldn't be illegal in the first place, but that's a different argument. If the bump stock makes them function the same, then they should be treated the same, whichever way that is.



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Oct 5th, 2017 01:46 PM        

"Bump stocks--NRA is now joining the call for the banning of them, which shows that the gun lobby does have a threshold"<br /> <br /> I have never believed they did/do not have a threshold.<br /> <br /> These stock, basically defy the strict allocation of full automatic weapons. Folks who acquire full auto weapons pay money and go through an extensive investigation before being approved for legal ownership.<br /> <br /> These bump stocks go along ways toward bypassing those regulations and in fact gave this guy easy, unimpeded ability to flood an area with bullets.



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Oct 5th, 2017 02:10 PM        

"but if in fact they take a "legal" gun and make it function like an "illegal" gun or a gun that you need a higher level of license for, then they should be subject to the same restrictions as the "illegal" gun."<br /> <br /> One small problem Counselor -- the ATF already ruled that these accessories did not violate federal law way back in 2010. Oops.<br /> <br /> So, for more than seven years, these things have been out there. They are not serialized or regulated and there is no way to go back and find out who has them. Nevermind that they have been on the market for all this time and this is the first time they have been used in a crime.<br /> <br /> There are probably at least thousands of these things out there. So what are the Feds going to do? Go door to door looking to confiscate a piece of plastic that can be legally purchased today as I type this?<br /> <br /> I and virtually every other gun guy in America has known about these things since they have been distributed. Most of us recognize them as a goofy gimmick and have never really considered buying one. I'll be making the rounds to the LGSs to see if I can find one at a less than idiot price -- just because.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />



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Oct 5th, 2017 02:13 PM        

If they outlaw bump stocks what happens to all the ones that people already own. Will they have to turn them in or would they be "grandfathered"?



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Oct 5th, 2017 02:42 PM        

Iâm a big gun guy, but I wonât shed any tears at regulation of bump stocks. I feel if something new is the functional equivalent of something else that is regulated, they should all be treated the same even if the mechanism of operation is different.<br /> <br /> This isnât a new beleif for me, by the way. Bump stocks have always bothered me.



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Oct 5th, 2017 02:47 PM        

Whats the difference between the mechanics of using a bump stock and bump firing using a belt loop?



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Oct 5th, 2017 02:59 PM        

Sorry HD, I'm not with you here. If you hold dear the true intent of the 2A, the federal government should not be able to tell us what we can and cannot own to ensure "the security of a free State".<br /> <br /> This is not a new belief for me -- or James Madison.



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Oct 5th, 2017 03:25 PM        

Like has been said, the ATFE has deemed the bump stock to be legal. Probably due to the fact they seldom work. It takes some practice to make the gun run and they jam more often than not.<br /> <br /> Has it been confirmed he used one?<br /> <br /> Thanks to all for keeping politics out of this. I know it is hard not to, especially with all the hysterical reporting going on.



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Oct 5th, 2017 03:33 PM        

I think I said we weren't going to do gun politics here.



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