FDP Forum / Please splain to me about noiseless pickups...vintage noiseless in particular./ 53 messages in thread.

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nashoba



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May 12th, 2017 08:08 AM        

Having played P&W music for over 18 years I share sound issue frustrations w/you. I just picked up a mint "used" white DN Tele & will use it this Sunday for the first time in our a.m. services. In the past 5 years I've used 2 MIM Standard Teles, one modified w/Noiseless pickups & the other stock, in P&W scenarios & loved the results of both guitars. <br /> So...your gtr through a POD Pro into the board produces some kind of buzz, correct? <br /> <br /> * Have you tried some other guitar through the same POD Pro into the same board? (simply switching guitars using all of the same ingredients)<br /> <br /> * Have you tried just the gtr into the board, no POD, nothing else, to determine the level of noise the gtr alone might introduce into the scenario? <br /> <br /> * Have you switched cables in & out to (hopefully) impact the issue in some noticeable way? <br /> <br /> * What is the power source for the POD Pro? Can you verify "clean" power to your gear?



Ryder

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Butterscotch Blues
May 12th, 2017 03:42 PM        

nashoba, Correct. Yes, P90s make the same noise. I also play a Tele Cabronita and the fidelitrons are very quiet. <br /> <br /> I haven't tried all of that you mentioned. I am going to try a new cable also. <br /> <br /> At home, the Electro Harmonix Hum Debugger takes care of the noise very well.<br /> <br /> It's been a while since I played a strat, I can't remember if it made noise...probably did, that's why I quit playing it.



Ryder

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May 14th, 2017 11:53 AM        

"At home, the Electro Harmonix Hum Debugger takes care of the noise very well."<br /> <br /> Now at church it takes care of the noise! <br /> <br /> I was told the noise gate at the sound board comes into play AFTER my processor. I guess there are reasons for that. I'm going to see if it can come in BEFORE my stuff.<br /> <br /> And the noise gate on my pod doesn't work...or I don't know how. It has a button but nothing happens.<br /> <br /> The hum debugger works great. Now I can play the p90s again too.



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Butterscotch Blues
May 15th, 2017 05:59 AM        

oops



nashoba



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May 18th, 2017 07:02 AM        

Good to hear you got the noise level to your liking.



telegib



Canada

May 19th, 2017 07:19 PM        

Some people love VN pickups and some the opposite. I have VN's in a few of my guitars and to be honest I like them.



Ryder

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May 20th, 2017 06:48 AM        

I like them. Still getting used to them though.



ejm



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May 23rd, 2017 08:43 AM        

Without actually hearing it in person, we can't be 100% sure.<br /> <br /> However, something absolutely unquestionably sounds wrong.<br /> <br /> Compare that guitar to a standard single coil guitar if you have one. There should be a light years difference in noise pick up.<br /> <br /> Also, there may not be a Fender tech near you, BUT there is probably a Fender dealer. Take your guitar and compare it to a few others, especially any with VN pups (Tele, Strat, it makes no difference).<br />



nashoba



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May 23rd, 2017 09:46 AM        





Ryder

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May 23rd, 2017 09:53 AM        

ejm, I sent one back to Sweetwater because they are the Fender Authorized Techs. There is no one anywhere near me which is surprising.<br /> <br /> They said it was normal. There is a dealer here but I never go there. I don't want to hear the, "man, how come you didn't buy it here"?<br /> <br /> Uh, because you stink.<br /> <br /> My problem really is, I like everything about this guitar, and I can put up with a little buzz noise. I've got it calmed down at home and I use a noise gate type pedal at church. <br /> <br /> I know, it doesn't seem right but....I'm done messing with it, sending it back and forth, looking at other teles, and this is the one.<br /> <br />



Ryder

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May 25th, 2017 10:31 AM        

I've been reading some other online posts about the Vintage Noiseless not being noiseless. Widespread problem, and no one seems to have an answer. <br /> <br /> I had an email into Fender but it was never answered. <br /> <br /> The hum I get really doesn't bother me all that much except I bought noiseless pickups and they aren't. <br /> <br /> I just talked to consumer relations at Fender. He said the term noiseless doesn't mean they are completely noiseless. It refers to the construction of the pickup to help reduce noise. If there is an inordinate amount of hum then it probably is a grounding issue.<br /> <br /> That makes me feel somewhat better, and I did get rid of the noise at church. At home, it's not bad. If I take the hum debugger back and forth, it's quiet at home.



ejm



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May 26th, 2017 08:22 AM        

Once again it appears that we have a problem with terminology among guitar players. And it always seems to be on the same subject.<br /> <br /> (OK, sorry for the mini-rant. Take a deep breath......)<br /> <br /> OK, back to your problem. Namely, is it NOISE, or is it HUM? They are not the same.<br /> <br /> I'm guessing that it is not hum.<br /> <br /> But here are a couple of tests for you to do.<br /> <br /> 1) Compare the offending guitar to one with traditional single coil pickups. Better, or worse?<br /> <br /> 2) Compare the offending guitar to one with traditional humbucking pickups. Better, or worse?<br /> <br /> 3) When you turn down the tone control on the guitar, does the problem go away?<br /> <br /> 4) Turn the tone control back up. If you hold the guitar out and rotate it, does the problem go in and out?<br /> <br /> Please fill out the questionnaire and report back.<br /> <br /> Something about this situation still doesn't seem right to me. Keeping in mind that we are not actually there to witness what is going on (and this is a BIG factor), from my limited experience with Fender noiseless pups, and noiseless pups in general, you should not need to use an EHX hum debugger. You should notice a big difference between regular SC pups and the VNs.<br />



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May 26th, 2017 10:35 AM        

Short answer for now. More later. The only other single coil I have is one with gibson p90s. They are about the same at church. One to note: I only hear the buzz in my headphones. You can't hear it through the mains. So, the noise gate on the pa works for that.<br /> <br /> I'll get back to you on the rest. Not sure if you read but our sound system at church is over 20 years old. <br /> <br /> The guy at Fender said there is no totally noiseless single coil pickup. They can be made to reduce noise.<br /> <br /> When I play my Cabronita there is no noise. Humbuckers.



ejm



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May 26th, 2017 02:56 PM        

Here is a video pitting Noiseless against Texas Specials in a Strat.<br /> <br /> It's really pretty good as far as demonstrating the noiseless versus not qualities. You may need to listen on headphones, but you can definitely hear the noise difference between the two.<br /> <br /> One note: I believe that this video is for Hot Noiseless, and NOT the Vintage Noiseless. He is using a Jeff Beck Strat, which should be the Hot Noiseless.<br /> <br /> There are some Tele noiseless demos on YT, but I could not find any directly comparing them against regular SC pups.<br /> <br /> There may be one, somewhere, but I am not going to go through every one of those videos, listening to see if the players SHUT UP and stop playing long enough to hear the noiseless part of the equation. Yes we want to know about their tone. But their main reason for their existence is, let me see if I can pick it out, oh yeah, now I remember........they're supposed to be NOISELESS. Do us a favor, shut up and stop playing long enough to DEMO THE NOISELESS THING!!!!!!!!!!<br /> <br /> (Yes, you guessed it. This is one of my pet peeves with YT people and their demos. Time to take a deep breath again, relax........)<br />



ejm



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May 26th, 2017 03:00 PM        

Here is another similar one, not quite as good, using Dimarzio Areas as the noiseless pups.<br /> <br /> However, this poor fellow suffers from that dreaded disease of WON'T SHUT UP-ITIS. Not as bad as some, but he's still got it.<br />



ejm



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May 26th, 2017 03:08 PM        

Ryder wrote: "The guy at Fender said there is no totally noiseless single coil pickup. They can be made to reduce noise."<br /> <br /> True. That is what the various flavors of Lace Sensors are. They are REDUCED noise, not noiseLESS. They are still single coils.<br /> <br /> However, the Fender noiseless pups should be.......wait for it......noiseLESS. They fit in a single coil sized space, but they are not single coils.<br /> <br /> I did not hear your conversation with him, but it appears something got lost in translation.<br /> <br /> I will add that I have a set of Dimarzio Areas in a Clapton Strat. They are not 100% noiseless, and from time to time I still get some low level buzz from God knows where. Other days they are dead quiet. That tells me that it's something else in the area that is spewing out interference, and there's not much I can do about that.<br /> <br /> But for a short time I had two Areas and one Lace Sensor in the guitar. No matter what, the Areas were WAY more quiet than the Lace.<br />



amphead4



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May 31st, 2017 07:23 AM        

Years ago my buddy put humbuckers in a strat and it still hummed. I shielded the cavity around the pickup selector switch and it was cured.<br /> <br /> Sometimes it's not the pickups.



Ryder

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Butterscotch Blues
May 31st, 2017 06:01 PM        

amphead, that's a good one. I may try that next time I change strings.



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Jun 1st, 2017 08:02 PM        

Ryder,<br /> <br /> I don't mean to hijack but it seems like the Hum Debugger is getting rid of the residual hum. Is that right? Do you like that pedal? <br /> <br /> I have Dimarzio Areas in a Strat and they, along with humbuckers, still hum in my house. It's worse at peak times, so I assume is the neighborhood and house wiring. If the Hum Debugger works for you then I think I might try one.



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Jun 2nd, 2017 07:05 AM        

Brent, yes, it works great both at home and church!



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