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Sep 30th, 2017 08:16 PM        

At the present rate, humans will eventually become so stupid, they won't be able to do anything at all.



reverendrob

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Sep 30th, 2017 11:06 PM        

Think of the people watching the History Channel.<br /> <br /> People are....stupid, but those folks...even dumber still.



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Oct 1st, 2017 06:59 AM        

I have the same problem with "Ancient Aliens" as I do with UFO fanatics, survivors of alien abductions, ghost hunters, Bigfoot and the appearance of religious apparitions.<br /> <br /> Human beings are wildly successful at coming up with the most fantastic explanations for things they either can't explain or don't understand.<br /> <br /> Personal anecdote:<br /> One night in 1979 I was dispatched to an address in a modest bedroom community in my patrol area.<br /> The homeowner was complaining of people standing on his lawn, gazing raptly at his garage.<br /> <br /> There were about a dozen people on the lawn when I got there. I asked a couple of them what they were doing. They pointed at a shadow on the garage door and explained in hushed tones that the image of Jesus Christ on the cross had miraculously appeared after sunset.<br /> <br /> I walked back and forth, looking at the shadow from different angles .... just looked like jumble of shapes to me. I convinced the faithful to get off the guy's lawn and do their gazing from the sidewalk. I cleared the call and went back on patrol.<br /> <br /> Two hours later I was sent back. Someone had alerted the media to this garage door miracle and the crowd had swelled to over a hundred. They were still arriving as I drove up, along with a catering truck and an amateur doomsday prophet preaching through a bullhorn. People were literally on their knees, praying to this shadow.<br /> <br /> Every so often, one of the observers would dash to the wooden garage door and pry a splinter off as a holy relic, before melding back into the crowd. The homeowner was furious. He told me that he had just listed the house for sale and this mass hysteria was not the kind of attention he wanted. Home for sale? Just listed? Hmmmmmm....<br /> <br /> That's when I noticed the shadow was being cast on the garage door due to an overhead streetlamp, whose light was deflecting first through a tree and then going on to include the For Sale sign staked on the lawn, like the Hang Man symbol used in the paper and pencil word-guessing game.<br /> <br /> I pointed this out to the homeowner, who promptly strode out to the sign, uprooted it and laid it flat on the lawn. The crowd gasped as the apparition vanished. Now it was just a shadow of a bunch of leaves. The cross was gone. No cross, no crucified Jesus. No miracle.<br /> The people dusted off their knees and dispersed on their own.<br /> <br /> Not every shadow is "a sign". Not every orb in the sky is a craft from another galaxy. True in 1979 and true now. Our modern media and social platforms are turning people into non critical, gullible half wits. IMHO.



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Oct 1st, 2017 07:32 AM        

It's part of human nature to come up with "belief systems" to make sense of the world around us and explain what we don't understand. We must have an answer, even if we have to make one up. We see this in all times and in all cultures. <br /> <br /> Maybe it's part of our survival mechanisms and how we got this far. We may be wrong but we are satisfied with our answer and scoff with righteous indignation at the non-believers. ; )



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Oct 1st, 2017 08:22 AM        

We are an inquisitive species it's part of the bagage that comes with an active mind.<br /> <br /> It breaks down into a couple groups, the worst are the ones that supply the answers we crave for either profit or power. The scientific method helps cut through the BS, but it is not immune to junk science cropping up from time to time. <br /> <br /> Education helps but is also no guarantee that logic or the scientific method will be followed to the letter.<br /> <br /> Classical logic should be started in Kindergarten. The Ancient Alien guys cloak their argument in classical logic taking liberties with false premises. Ancient Astronaut Theorists say yes, doesn't make a valid premise or support a logical conclusion.



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Oct 1st, 2017 09:56 AM        

"People are....stupid, but those folks...even dumber still."<br /> <br /> "Ancient Astronaut Theorists say yes, doesn't make a valid premise or support a logical conclusion."<br /> <br /> It does make for some entertaining TV though.<br /> <br /> There are plenty out there that say the same thing about the belief in God.<br /> <br /> Disclaimer: Not trying to bring "religion" into the discussion, just a comparison of ways of thinking that some view as irrational. ;)



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Oct 1st, 2017 10:37 AM        

"There's a starman waiting in the sky <br /> He'd like to come and meet us <br /> But he thinks he'd blow our minds"



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Oct 1st, 2017 11:08 AM        

What a person knows or believes personally can not logically be proven, unless your Einstein and have the intellect to back it up with provable facts.<br /> <br /> In matters of spirituality and faith it can become contentious, better to avoid the conversation in mixed company. It is frustrating to know something that is a personal fact yet is unprovable. Everybody believes in gravity, prof of it's existence is inarguable, evidence is overwhelming, yet it was not understood. Other dimensions are not so evident yet physics is exploring and heading in that direction.<br /> <br /> It could be that science will someday understand the awareness or knowedge of the spiritual and how perceptions grasp that which proof and science is incapable, as yet, of perceiving. Or not.<br /> <br /> Is their a soul "o) prove it. I happen to be one who does not need proof. Or maybe It's been proven to me but not in a way that can be argued with classical logic. It is an interesting topic but too emotional for many to include here.<br /> <br /> If one has faith in existence of Big Foot fine, I'll buy the t-shirt but if you start trying to prove it's existence you better show me one, same with Aliens.



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Oct 1st, 2017 11:29 AM        

"It is an interesting topic but too emotional for many to include here."<br /> <br /> And as I stated, not intended to be included here other than as an example.<br />



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Oct 1st, 2017 11:55 AM        

I absolutely believe the universe is teeming with intelligent life forms. That we will ever meet them is something for maybe 1000 years or more from now. I do not believe for a moment that we have been discovered much less visited by any of them.<br /> <br /> For me, to think we are the only intelligent life forms in the universe is arrogant and statistically impossible. They just don't know we exist.



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Oct 1st, 2017 01:50 PM        

And it would be a huge waste of perfectly good space!<br /> <br /> Whether itâs politics, religion or economic theory, you believe what you do based on the sum of your past experiences in a way that makes sense to you. Many people will pick and choose from different belief systems and custom make one for themselves. People from different cultures and from past times had different experiences and should have different beliefs.<br /> <br /> Ancient Aliens is a valid hypotheses but their application of logic and scientific method is seriously flawed.<br /> <br /> I think itâs just a big infomercial to sell their books ect.



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Oct 1st, 2017 02:02 PM        

My feeling is that there are or were countless life forms in the universe, some intelligent, others not. The intelligent ones eventually get too smart for their own good, and make their planets uninhabitable. <br /> <br /> The odds of life forms from two planets meeting and exchanging hello's in that brief window between self awareness and extinction is abysmally low, IMO.



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Oct 2nd, 2017 02:22 AM        

Just in the news this week was the discovery of canal channels right up to the Great Pyramid at Giza, which were probably there for the transportation of the stones for building. Previously, I was never in any doubt that they must have been levitated there. Ah well.



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Oct 2nd, 2017 08:43 AM        

For nearly 300,000 years we've had the same mental capacity. Earlier versions of us go back a couple million. We've been exposed to 4 ice ages in the last 450,000 years.<br /> <br /> Traditional modern thinking places the first civilizations around 10,000 years ago. That number coincides with the end of the last ice age. We are pushing the age of civilization further back all the time. Even the age of the first humans coming to North America has double since I was a kid and some evidence indicates goes much farther back.<br /> <br /> It's an interesting time to be an Archeologist. Some evidence exists that the European Bronze Age, starting around 3200 BC, included copper mined in Michigan. Or how about that ancient Chinese map that shows Antarctica with no ice.<br /> <br /> Humans are industrious we have had to be. How long before one of our ancestor freezing his or her butt off in cave figured out that the bear walking around in the snow and ice wasn't cold, that it might be because of his fur coat, and figure hey I'll take one of those.<br /> <br /> Think how many skills it took for a farmer 200 years ago to raise crops, livestock build shelters and improvise tools. What I take away from studying historical, indigenous, primitive people is they are much more in tune with their needs and environment than we are. We have mastered, or think we have, our environment, we no longer adapt to it we endeavor to control it, and we think we are doing a good job at it.<br /> <br /> Forget about aliens, we've survived for close to 2 million years mostly on our ability to reason and adapt. I'm including a few earlier versions in that number, but they did help us get to were we are.<br /> <br /> How long ago did we learn how to make fire, and given the same tools how many of us could today?



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Oct 3rd, 2017 06:28 AM        

There are some very convincing arguments that we are actually the product of alien...something. Long before there was life as we know it on Earth, our planet was bombarded for eons with rocks and pieces of comets and asteroids, etc. Some of those items from other worlds, it's thought, may have contained elements, chemicals or molecules that combined with the stuff that was already here. After much time percolating in our giant petri dish, life of some sort started to form - and here we are. Products of aliens, but not the kind in space ships.



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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:07 AM        

Good point. As are all planets and stars. It's hard to imagine that an intact life form could make the voyage through the cold and vacuum of space. <br /> <br /> The entire planet, moon, sun all coagulated from stuff created in the instant of the Big Bang. It's interesting how the elements came together. The location of planets orbit in the solar system seem to have organized the matter they are made of accordingly. I wonder if this organization is characteristic of other planetary systems. <br /> <br /> The form that matter took at that instant was probably a fundamental like hydrogen, its a bit mind boggling how other elements came into existence, became compounds and eventually life. Sometime I think life should be everywhere then again so much has to happen in what needs to be perfect circumstances that it's amazing it ever happened at all.<br /> <br /> We really have no idea if life can evolve in different circumstances than those on earth. Is life base on specific elements and environment, ours is, but what is the possibility that life can be based on other elements in different environments? <br /> <br /> Is life a fundamental force or is it not. If life is a fundamental force what are the physics that would show that to be the case. Consider a step again to intelligent life. We are unique among the fauna of this planet, and what are the chances of intelligent life being the product of other planets bio-systems. If it is a physical force of nature then intelligents maybe part of that formula. Who freakin' knows.<br /> <br /> Is their purpose of just freak accidents. What is the force that creates life or is it just a assemblage of odd bits of matter.<br /> <br /> I spend too much time thinking about this stuff. Their is no way to know.



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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:43 AM        

"We are an inquisitive species it's part of the bagage that comes with an active mind."<br /> <br /> Spot on. It is human nature to seek an explanation for any question that has no clear answer. In absence of hard facts or compelling and incontrovertible evidence, the theory and speculation evolves to become the only rational cause. As irrational as that sounds...<br /> <br /> The search for knowledge is like an ever-expanding sphere: all that is 'known' is contained in the sphere, and the surface of the sphere represents the horizon to the unknown. The more we learn, the greater that surface area becomes, and we realize an increase of unknowns.<br /> <br /> A comedian once said, "Kids say the darnedest things! So would you--if you were completely uneducated."



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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:55 AM        

But more importantly: there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the Ancient Aliens guy's hair.



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Oct 5th, 2017 05:05 PM        

I'm another that thinks our ancestors forgot more than we know now. What we consider ancient tribes and lower civilizations may have known secrets we never will.<br /> <br /> There are verifiable carvings and depictions of what we consider flying machines in Egyptian tombs, ONLY, they are so small and casually placed that they could have been anything but helicopters or submarines as they have been described. They are described by modern minds and may have been anything but.<br /> <br /> Another depiction from that time is of a giant Egyptian lightbulb and battery, which could simply be an interpretation of something else. Verifiable ancient batteries of very simple form have been found in Iraq.<br /> <br /> The Indian civilization is rift with Vimana, or ancient flying machines in their lore. Even ole Big hair wears one on his lapel...<br /> <br /> No one to date can explain the precision that was achieved in the building of Inca and Mayan walls and temples.<br /> <br /> Then again, Von Daneken has fully admitted the he was full of it, did it for the money and made bank on his supposed theories in his series of books. <br /> <br /> Ancient Aliens is a crock. It's filled with half Theories, a bunch of professional loons that only add disbelief to what may actually have occurred in history.<br /> <br />



jay1vinton



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Oct 5th, 2017 05:13 PM        

"They just don't know we exist." <br /> <br /> And if they do, and if they are physical, they can be hurt just as we can and they are smart to stay away and watch from afar and leave us to our wondering's.<br /> <br /> As a specie, we are violent and unpredictable, I assume if they were real, they would know that..



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