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iammr2

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Oct 22nd, 2017 11:06 AM        

I was at the guitar show in Arlington yesterday. One of the vendors asked if I knew how Fender came up with the clay fingerboard markers. Said that Fender was getting ready to move to a new facility and were tearing up the flooring when Leo realized he could punch out dots from the floor tiles. Leo was pretty frugal...<br /> <br /> Anybody ever heard of this?



Taildragger

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Oct 22nd, 2017 01:59 PM        

I can't answer definitively to its veracity, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's a true story. I think that the lacquer colors he painted the bodies with were readily available and chosen from factory automotive paint chip books of the day: he didn't come up with a whole new set of custom hues mixed specifically for his guitars.



edmonstg



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Oct 22nd, 2017 06:53 PM        

Long time forum member and participant Uncle Stack Knob should be able to shed some light on this. <br /> <br /> I'll contact him off-line and let him know about this thread.<br /> <br /> George



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Oct 23rd, 2017 04:34 AM        

Well,the story about the floor tiles has been around forever it seems.<br /> There appear to be two types of "clay dot".<br /> When first introduced the dots had a slightly glassy and very slight transparency to them.Indeed,you could argue that the surface of the dot looked a little like the surface of a polished floortile maybe.<br /> By 1961 the dots took on a duller appearance without that glassy look,to the extent that some collectors and dealers refer to them as "powder dots" rather than clay dots.<br /> However,rosewood is a moderately oily wood,and over time,colouration from the wood leeches into the dots,sometimes unevenly,and they take on the slightly pinkish or brownish beige colour you see today.<br /> If during,say,a refret of an old pre-C.B.S. instrument, the dots are sanded along with the fingerboard (sadly),then the dots expose a fresh surface and appear off-white/beige again.<br /> This is lost with further playing and wear,also the effect previously mentioned.<br /> Some years ago a restorer over here sent a small sample of original dots from a trashed neck for analysis to I.C.I. laboratories.At that time they offered such a service (at a price).<br /> The findings stated that the early dots were made up from a material akin to Linoleum (flooring material....), and the slightly later dots were of "a phenolic nature".<br /> Certainly they stamped the dots out on one of Leo's presses,and then inserted them into the pre-drilled holes in the fingerboard having applied wood glue into the drilling.They were then sanded flush.To this day the sanding marks are still present on many of the instruments.Bill Carson describes this process in the book Fender the Golden Age,by Kelly,associated with a photo of workers carrying out this exact task.<br /> Stack-Knob.



iammr2

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Oct 25th, 2017 04:27 PM        

Thanks, guys.<br /> <br /> Just for your info, the dots we were looking at were on a '60 stack-knob J.



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Oct 26th, 2017 06:34 AM        

And what did those dots look like,if you recall?<br /> <br /> Stack-Knob.



iammr2

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Oct 27th, 2017 07:21 PM        

Lets see if this works.



iammr2

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Oct 27th, 2017 07:24 PM        

While we're at it...<br />



liverbird



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Oct 29th, 2017 06:01 PM        

Nice... <br /> <br /> From Gary's Classic Guitars if I read the business card correctly?<br /> <br /> Do you recall how much it was up for?



iammr2

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Oct 29th, 2017 11:09 PM        

The card in the strings said $29,995. That's just what they throw out there, not what they'll let go of it for. Haggling is half the fun of buying.



liverbird



UK

Searching for L40278.
Oct 30th, 2017 04:56 PM        

Well, it's not on his website... Someone must have had some loose change!



edmonstg



Newberg, Oregon

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Oct 30th, 2017 05:33 PM        

Does Mr. Gary haggle very much?<br /> <br /> George



iammr2

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Oct 30th, 2017 08:59 PM        

Not sure, George. It was a bit out of my haggling range.<br /> <br /> Need his number?



edmonstg



Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Oct 31st, 2017 08:35 PM        

NO! LOL. That kind of money is a bit rich for my blood.<br /> <br /> George



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