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Randawg



Elk Grove, CA

"Let's Do Funk"
Aug 19th, 2017 02:07 PM        

Bought a DRRI (wine/wheat)because I've always wanted one. Playing R&B, Funk, (Strat, Tele) and the amp seemed to break up around 5. Played it like this for awhile, then decided to make a speaker change. Have a CR in a Blues jr, like it, so put one in the DR. The Blues jr sounds cleaner, louder than the DRRI!! I know, only a 7 watt difference, but was hoping to get a little more out of the DR. Any suggestions, short of buying a Twin, which is too heavy--?? Thanks much



JJuran

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Aug 19th, 2017 11:27 PM        

Stay with the Blues Jr?



budg

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Aug 20th, 2017 08:58 AM        

The DRRI is designed to breakup around 5 . I have the same one you have , it comes with a different speaker than the stock one which is designed to break up earlier. There isnt a ton of diffetrence between 15 and 22 watts , but the difference you hear more than likely the el84 vs 6v6 difference. <br /> <br /> If an amp change is what you want try checking out a HRDX or Blues DX. 6L6s and alot more headroom.



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Aug 20th, 2017 12:30 PM        

You could try a SS rectifier which will minimize some "sag" and result in some cleaner tone.<br /> <br /> I have the same amp but I use it for blues so I love the early breakup!



MLC



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Aug 21st, 2017 06:35 AM        

A different, more efficient speaker might get you more clean volume out of the DRRI.<br /> <br /> You could also try a pair of JJ 6V6's.<br /> I haven't tried them myself, but most comments I've read about them say they are more like a small 6L6 than a 6V6. For many, that's not necessarily a good thing, but it might be just the ticket if you're looking for a bit more clean headroom.



carsten



on the rhine

Aug 21st, 2017 04:21 PM        

Hi!<br /> <br /> Many players have tried to get more "oomph" from a Deluxe Reverb - seems like a bigger/tighter speaker or an upgrade to 6L6 power-tubes are the most effective ways.<br /> <br /> I´m probably not much of a help, as I like my Deluxes as crunchy as they get ;-)<br /> <br /> <br /> cheers - C.



Randawg



Elk Grove, CA

"Let's Do Funk"
Aug 24th, 2017 07:09 PM        

First off, thanks folks for your responses! I had hoped that a DRRI would be a little cleaner.<br /> Looked at Yellow Jackets "Uni" model to try and help! Changed to a cleaner(?) speaker. Some one wrote, "stick with the Blues Jr's" of which I thought about buying another (w/CR spk)and running two-(Maybe it's the 6v6 vs el84s) -another Bjr is cheaper than a DRRI...OR I may just have to go to a larger amp,(of which I own several)and learn to tame it down!<br /> Anywho, thanks all again for your ideas/opinions!<br /> That's what this forum is for, and I'm grateful!!



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Aug 24th, 2017 07:34 PM        

Another simpler and cheaper option to increase clean headroom is to pull the 12AX7 in the V1 position and replace it with a 12AT7. <br /> <br /> That gets you a reduced gain factor (about 70% of the 12AX7) and keeps the distortion down as you crank the volume up.



Mick Reid



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Aug 24th, 2017 10:15 PM        

+1 on Peegoo's advice.



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Aug 25th, 2017 07:32 AM        

I replaced the stock speaker with a Weber 12F150 and it made a significant difference in headroom.<br /> Not a cheap fix but it did what I wanted.



LeftRightOut

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Sep 1st, 2017 03:46 PM        

Plus one on peegoo change the v1 tube to another lower gain tube <br /> <br /> and then if you want a speaker change can do help clean it up <br /> <br /> but how much scratch do you want to spend on the amp? even running the amp through an extension cabinet may give you more headroom<br /> <br /> <br /> Weber Cali is a good speaker for clean and headroom. <br />



jhawkr

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Sep 3rd, 2017 04:39 AM        

"I had hoped that a DRRI would be a little cleaner."<br /> <br /> <br /> You are not the 1st to be fooled in this regard. The DRRI is an ideal sized amp and it does have good clean tone up to about 3.5-4 but after that, it's difficult to get much more out of it. It is supposed to be a slightly naughty little amp.



Givson



USA

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Sep 15th, 2017 02:02 PM        

If you substitute a lower gain tube such as a 5751, 12AY7 or 12AT7 in V1, the overall volume of the amp before distorting is not going to be any louder - even if the volume knob shows a higher number. The easiest way to get a higher volume before the amp distorts is to put in a higher efficiency speaker. <br /> <br /> Some 12at7 phase inverters are cleaner than others, so you may get some increase in clean volume by using a different brand of PI tube.



carsten



on the rhine

Sep 16th, 2017 05:42 PM        

Hi!<br /> <br /> "If you substitute a lower gain tube such as a 5751, 12AY7 or 12AT7 in V1, the overall volume of the amp before distorting is not going to be any louder - even if the volume knob shows a higher number..."<br /> <br /> Yes, that´s exactly what I found. The onset of distortion happens a bit higher on the volume knob - but not at a higher volume.<br /> <br /> Otoh - a more efficient speaker makes a lot of difference.<br /> <br /> I like to play my ´66 Deluxe at a volume where I can play it soft and it will be clean, and when I "dig in" it will distort - usually around 6-8 on the dial, depending on the guitar/pickups.<br /> I´ve tried a "boatload" of speakers in this amp - and most "modern" speakers were just too loud to play it the way I like it. I´ve been using the original (inefficient) Oxford for years now ;-)<br /> <br /> cheers - C.



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Sep 21st, 2017 07:50 PM        

I must be the only guy who doesn't turn my DRRI past 3. Any louder and the band leader and/or sound man will quickly ask me to turn down :)<br /> <br /> I run my DRRI w an ext cab loaded w a Celestion V30. The DRRI has a CRex inside and sits on top of the ext cab. Both spkrs are 16 ohm. Sounds great to me. I line up stage left and put my rig on the side so it's coming right at my left ear. In ear monitor in my right ear for vocals. <br /> <br /> We don't have a loud stage sound. Keep it down so we can focus on the vocals and we let the sound man control the overall volume out front. So yeah 3 is the volume I set my DRRI. Maybe a hair more for outdoor gigs. I think setting it up beside me and sitting it on top of the closed back ext cab helps a lot!<br /> <br /> I love the warm sound of the CRex. I'm also a big Weber fan. Got a Weber 50 watt Blue Dog in my Classic 30. Lots of clean headroom. <br /> <br /> Good luck!



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Sep 22nd, 2017 09:10 PM        

You aren't the only one DanL. I"m basically in that 3 to 3.5 range most of time. I don't think I"ve ever had it over a little past 5. I am very happy with the tone.



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