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Leftee

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Aug 13th, 2017 05:49 AM        

Now that I have a Les Paul my Agile AL3000P has been made redundant. It currently has a custom-wound set of HighOrder pickups installed and I will repurpose those. <br /> <br /> I do not have a P90 guitar in the flock. I think the Agile will be a fine candidate. <br /> <br /> Who's killin' it in this arena these days?



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Aug 13th, 2017 07:24 AM        

Seymore Duncan Phat Cat.



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Aug 13th, 2017 07:54 AM        

I'm afraid I have to disagree with Mr. Peegoo. I had a Phat Cat in the neck position of my Epiphone Sheraton for over a year and just couldn't get on with it. It always seemed like I was straining to get the sound out of it; there was something missing in the upper mids. I do like P90's; the Phat Cat replaced a GFS Dream 90 which was OK but lacked the character of a real P90. <br /> <br /> So about 6 months ago I replaced the Phat Cat with a Bare Knuckle Mississippi Queen and for me, that is the one. The tone is full, rich and balanced, will do T Bone Walker through Sean Costello clean-to-driven, and will really howl if you crank it.<br /> <br /> For rockabilly in the bridge position I had a TV Jones Classic (Filtertron-style) pup but the output is a lot lower than the P90, I got tired of battling with the difference and the middle position was meh. Just last week I put a TV Jones T-90 in the bridge and I'm very happy with it. The T-90 is their take on the P90, but they use the magnets and polepieces from their Filtertron-style pups. They claim it is fuller than a regular P90 with thicker highs, and less boomy bottom end when in the neck position. I don't know about that, but in the bridge it is great. Exactly what I wanted for rockabilly single-coil jangle through to typical P90 crunch. Full and clear with bite. And the mid position with the Bare Knuckle balances perfectly, that typical 'burble' for rockabilly cleans.<br /> <br /> I wouldn't recommend a Phat Cat compared with either of these. And I think after many years of trial and error I've found the ideal and final combination for this guitar.



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Aug 13th, 2017 10:01 AM        

It happens.<br /> <br /> Not all pickups work well in all guitars. You finds what'cha likes and ya goes with it :o)<br /> <br /> One of the unavoidable drawbacks of getting a true P-90 tone out of a standard-size humbucker package is the physical dimensions of the pickup. A P90's coil extends quite a distance beyond each E string, compared to that in a PAF-style package. That alone is the big reason for the tonal difference. You can get close, but you can't match it.<br /> <br /> Another contributing factor is the metal cover (if used). Most P90 coils are unshielded. The metal shield can sometimes attenuate highs. BUT, the shielding also blocks RF and makes for quieter operation, so you have to decide what works and sounds best to you.



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Aug 13th, 2017 12:06 PM        

Yeah, maybe I'm reaching too far. Expecting too much. <br /> <br /> Thanks for the inputs. I'm going to fish this pond for a while.



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Aug 13th, 2017 01:36 PM        

"BUT, the shielding also blocks RF "<br /> <br /> Yes, there is a difference between the metal covered Mississippi Queen and the plastic T-90. <br /> <br /> And what Peegoo said about the exact tone is true too. I had a friend's original 60's SG Special with P90's in recently, and yes, it sounds great. But IMHO the HB sized ones are close enough, and that's from someone who can get a bit obsessive about tone.



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Aug 13th, 2017 01:40 PM        

Good to know!<br /> <br /> I have thought about flipping this guitar and buying something with proper-sized P90s. I'm out of room for more guitars these days.



Leftee

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Aug 14th, 2017 02:49 AM        

Aaron to the rescue!<br /> <br /> Stayed tuned!



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Aug 14th, 2017 07:16 AM        

Yay!<br /> <br /> I had an Agile AL-3100 that I sold before moving south and I have to say it was ridiculously good. A bandmate and I did a side by side at rehearsal once with his upper scale LP. Both he and the bass player are engineers and fine guitar builders in their own right. We collectively chuckled at the diminished returns of an instrument costing 10X that of the Agile. <br /> <br /> I'm gasing again for one and have been smitten by this flamed seafoam green abomination. I'm a sucker for green guitars and am visualizing it with the V7/B7 Vibramate/Bigsby I have laying around. Not sure I have the alternate "import" mounting hardware still.



Leftee

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Aug 14th, 2017 08:19 AM        

Smitten by Abomination<br /> <br /> Woot!<br /> <br /> Band name alert!



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Aug 14th, 2017 02:30 PM        

Aaron is a badass. And a good friend too.



Leftee

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Aug 14th, 2017 05:44 PM        

One of these days the three of us need to break bread.



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Aug 20th, 2017 08:34 PM        

I put a set of the Mojotone Quiet Coil P90`s i a guitar and they are the best sounding P90`s I have had the pleasure of playing through. That list includes Fralin and Lollar and the Phgat Cats-- Mojotone does make a humbucker size P90 but have not tried that one---



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Aug 25th, 2017 02:38 PM        

If you're still fishin'. I put a set of GFS HB sized P90s in my Epi Wilshire. I think they are great in that guitar. Very much like the real deal and make the little import Epi very LP Jr like in tone. Cheap at $30 each.



Leftee

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Oct 7th, 2017 02:34 PM        

I still havenât installed these. Where does the time go. :-/



Leftee

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Oct 23rd, 2017 10:41 AM        

... aaaannnd still not installed. <br /> <br /> I need to retire so I can tinker about more.



Leftee

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Jan 1st, 2018 09:44 AM        

I finally got these installed today. I went with 250k volumes and 500k tones. I like that slightly darker tone. There is a real snarl when the bridge pickup is played through a Marshall type amp. <br /> <br /> These pickups are all I was hoping for!



T. C.



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Jan 1st, 2018 05:52 PM        

I bet Jason Lollar has just what ya need.



Leftee

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Jan 4th, 2018 03:06 PM        

Pic



Mick Reid

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Jan 4th, 2018 03:47 PM        

Nice looking guitar Leftee.<br /> <br /> Glad the pickups worked for ya.<br /> It's always a roll of the dice with these things.<br />



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