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Rick Knight

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St Peters, MO USA

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Oct 27th, 2016 09:34 AM        

We lost a very good keys and sometimes guitar player due to illness. The search for an acceptable replacement has not gone well. Iâm looking for ways to fatten the sound, especially during solos, with our current guitar, bass, drums and vocals lineup while we determine our next move. <br /> <br /> Iâm considering trying to play power chords, or roots and octaves during solos. I like the idea of a natural sounding octave up pedal, but havenât found one. The Akai Unibass and the Mosaic, which I thought sounded ok with guitar, both sounded unnatural with bass IMO. Would playing the higher notes using an octave down pedal work better? Maybe a bass chorus? Your thoughts, please. <br />



Te 52



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Oct 27th, 2016 11:13 AM        

You could try some overdrive and/or a compressor.



Steve Dallman

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Oct 28th, 2016 07:51 AM        

I bought a Digitech Mosaic...a 12 string emulator. After trying many octave ups (I have a bunch) this one is the best. No digital, Farfisa organ type out-of-tune octave. <br /> <br /> I use a Line 6 Variax 5. The 8 and 12 string models are fantastic. I used them a lot. I bought the Mosic to use other basses. While the models in the L6 sound better, I found settings I like with the Mosaic. Tone up full, effect around 9 O'clock. Subtle is best. <br /> <br /> What the Mosaic needs for bass is slightly longer delay before the octave, but until they come out with a bass friendlier version...<br /> <br /> The 8 string AND the Mosaic is HUGE. <br /> <br /> I occasionally use a bass chorus. What I play fills more than what I play through. <br /> <br /> I have an excellent octave down, but only use it on one solo. I have compression I love in my PF-500 head and the bit of grit and grind in that head, with the compression fills well.



reverendrob

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Oct 31st, 2016 02:42 AM        

I'd have the guitar player learn to use a looper.



rockdoc11



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Oct 31st, 2016 11:28 AM        

You know, you may not need to do much of anything.<br /> <br /> I'm a big fan of Stevie Ray Vaughn, especially before he added the keys.<br /> <br /> There's a certain "purity" to a nice lead guitar over basic bass and drums that's always appealed to me.<br /> <br />



JackL

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Oct 31st, 2016 01:48 PM        

I once played in a classic rock/country type trio in which the guitarist used two amps on opposite sides of the stage. So while there were only three on stage, there was four sources of sound. People use to remark on the "big" sound for only a three piece, plus if another guitarist shows up there's already an amp in place for him/her!



digiboy



New York City

Oct 31st, 2016 02:55 PM        

I'll just put in my $.02 about this even though I don't think it would apply for what you are doing. You might want to test it out anyway.<br /> <br /> Try a mute.<br /> <br /> Find some soft foam rubber. Memory foam is ideal. Cut a strip long enough to slide under the strings and just thick enough so that the strings hold it in place. Tuck it as far back against the bridge as it will go. Should not affect intonation. If it does, it's exerting too much pressure on the strings. <br /> <br /> <br /> The term "mute" is misleading. If you are playing an electric bass, all you have to do is crank the gain up another notch or 2 to counteract any loss of volume caused by the mute. The mute will do 2 other things besides that slight drop in output. First of all certain string overtones will get cut and the result is a purer, clearer, fundamental. Second, you get a shorter sustain with a lot more punch in the attack. It forces you to play a little differently. Depends on what kind of "fatness" you seek whether it will suit you. <br /> <br />



Steve Dallman

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Nov 3rd, 2016 03:05 AM        

I go the other direction than a mute. My bass rig has two cabinets...two 12's, a 6.5" midrange (crossed over at 800Hz) and a horn (that's barely on.) I use bright strings, but my 12's have tremendous low end, while the mid gives me clarity, and doesn't beam. <br /> <br /> I've played in 3 pieces since 1969. Bright, but full fills better for me. I have learned to fill in when necessary...usually when the guitar is doing a lead. With better note choices, some octaves, and patterns to suggest chords, and more agressive playing to bring out clank, clicks, and other string noise which adds some percussion, I can fill pretty well. <br /> <br /> The guitar player has a 2nd band, and his bass player in that one doesn't fill well, but they have two guitar players, so it isn't necessary. <br /> <br /> I would play differently if we had keys or a second guitar. <br /> <br /> A mute would not work at all for me, although I use palm muting and left hand finger lifts to cut off sustain a lot when needed for the song. <br /> <br /> I use the octave ups (8 and 12 string models) most when we lower a song (for singing purposes) and I play signature patterns on the lower strings (lots of B string work). Going low works better if I add an octave above to bring out the riffs. It lifts those low riffs out of the weeds.



Jeff Scott



On a spinning rock

Nov 8th, 2016 06:55 PM        

An EHX MicroPOG can works wonders to fill out a bass. Use minimal amounts of both the octave down and octave up to add to the main bass signal. Or, a lot depending on what the song requires/can use.



digiboy



New York City

Nov 16th, 2016 01:48 PM        

The Musicians Friend stupid deal of the day is a Pigtronics Bass "Fat Drive" pedal for $70. Probably a good deal if you like it. There is also a good demo on Youtube.<br /> <br /> Deal ends at midnight.<br /> <br /> Click the Musicians Friend FDP link above.



Rick Knight

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Nov 18th, 2016 06:32 AM        

Thanks, digiboy. I didn't see your post until it was too late; but bought a Bass Soul Food a week or so ago. It seems to be on the mild end of the distortion spectrum, which I like so far. <br /> <br /> I hadn't been using any processing recently, but also dug out my compressor and a volume boost. Will see how this group works before deciding on another move. <br /> <br />



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