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SecondHoneymoon

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Sep 9th, 2016 12:42 PM        

I've used an in-ear bud (just one) for years, an old Carvin system that has worked well for my needs. But I'm baffled that the technology doesn't seem to have progressed very far, at least as far as the transmitter unit.<br /> <br /> Big star ladies, in particular, have pouches built into the backs of their outfits, but they usually show to some extent.<br /> <br /> How is it in this age of bluetooth (and the new apple wireless earbuds) that show business people who spare no expense elsewhere, don't demand some help? I would have expected a wholly independent ear piece by now, or at least a minature transmitter.<br /> <br /> I have done no research on this, but was reminded again when I saw a band on the Today show, and the lead singer (no instrument) had one hanging off his front pocket. <br /> <br />



Roly

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Sep 9th, 2016 03:01 PM        

"or at least a minature transmitter."<br /> <br /> Do you mean receiver?



SecondHoneymoon

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Sep 9th, 2016 03:29 PM        

<br /> "Do you mean receiver?"<br /> <br /> Yes! Doh!<br />



Tony Wright



Stillwater, OK

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Sep 10th, 2016 09:47 AM        

I will venture a guess that the market worldwide is not large enough to justify a lot of effort into IEM systems. What is there works, reasonably well in most cases.<br /> <br /> The multiple changes in available radio frequencies by the FCC probably discourages a manufacturer from investing in one product that could be illegal or obsolete within an 18 month time window.<br /> <br /> I also think the market is still very small. I have worked 3 years worth of street festivals and have only had one band show up with their own monitor board and IEM. <br /> <br /> We did have one other that handed us two IEM transmitters and asked us to mix those as Aux 1 and Aux 2 and wedges for the drummer and bass player and keyboard. <br /> <br /> While they may be more common in some markets or with some levels of performers they are still less used in the "hometown week end warrior bands". <br /> <br /> When I owned my own sound for hire, I had a year contract at one local club and only did his "touring artist" shows. Even so, I frequently had two or three nights a week. About half of those bands traveled with their own monitor world. <br /> <br /> I guess I did about 20-24 gigs with bands using IEM. Only two were really into the next level as far as use of the IEM. They had talk around mics on either side of the drummer and the drummer had his own. (Footswitch on/off momentary switch for mic) and there was only the one that had condensers facing the audience so they could talk to the people without pulling their IEM.<br /> <br /> All I know for certain is ALL these guys only played this saloon to get college students to buy their CDs and it WAS a gas money gig with a free motel and meal. The bar owner was a cheapskate, but he knew how to book a band for less than their "asking" rate.<br /> <br /> Yes, he bankrupted his first year...



Juice Nichols

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Sep 13th, 2016 07:21 AM        

I've never gone to them because it doesn't appear to be worth the cost and effort to set a system up for a bar band. I don't recall seeing any bands in this area use them either.



Dolemite



What It Was!

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Sep 13th, 2016 08:27 AM        

We use them in our Beatle tribute, they're essential in a harmony-intense band. They have to have a volume knob, but that's not really a reason to NOT downsize them. <br /> <br /> Probably profit-margin driven for the manufacturer to not bother, like TW sez.



Cal-Woody



USA/California

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Sep 18th, 2016 09:44 AM        

Love my Sennheimer system with Westone earbuds.<br /> You don't have to fight feedback from floor monitors and of course, real estate is at a premium at most of these venues. <br /> The Westone earbuds do a good job of replicating your sound and can handle a fair amount of volume. <br /> I do like the sound and feel of live sound, but with the in ear monitors, I can get a good sense of the overall sound and also get my personal mix. A very good tool and worthwhile investment! <br />



Tony Wright



Stillwater, OK

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Sep 18th, 2016 12:29 PM        

The BIGGEST disadvantage of in ear monitors is the number of pre fader Aux available from the sound system.<br /> <br /> If you are in a band with a mixer that offers two monitor mixes, you pretty much have to "share and share alike" with the other band members...meaning I cannot pump up my sound over yours unless you do not actually use the monitors (instrumentalist only, no vocals).<br /> <br /> 5 person band has a lot of issues with two monitor mixes regardless of IEM or wedges. It is not significantly better if you have four monitor mixes and five musicians/singers. "Somebody" has to share. <br /> <br /> Can "Tony" be happy sharing? You betcha Red Rider.<br /> <br /> Another thing is IF the system is owned by the venue and the bar tender is also your soundman...you are pretty much screwed when you try to convince him to let you plug in YOUR stuff. Or so some musicians tell me.<br /> <br />



SecondHoneymoon

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Sep 21st, 2016 04:21 PM        

"The BIGGEST disadvantage of in ear monitors is the number of pre fader Aux available from the sound system."<br /> <br /> Well, that's true, but as you point out, the issue is pretty much the same if you're using floor monitors. <br /> <br /> I have a Mackie 808, one of the very early models, and it has served me well. However it has ONE, count 'em, ONE monitor mix. We've made it work, and my IEM shares the same signal as the wedge, but at least one more mix would be nice.



Gaukdawg



Ohio

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Sep 21st, 2016 07:52 PM        

We use IEMs and we have a PreSonus 24 4 2 board and that gives us 10 Aux mixes so each of us have our own mix. We have ordered the new PreSonus Rack mixer to run from a laptop and wireless devices. It will eliminate the snake and board. The sound table will look a lot different going forward. I really love IEMs. I also have the custom fitted earbuds from Westone.



BbendFender

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Sep 22nd, 2016 10:56 AM        

I saw 5 of those Avion controllers in a pawn shop yesterday. They had been marked $599 but were reduced to $200. They had not been in the pawn shop but a few days. I think these controllers need something else for them to work with a PA system, don't they?<br /> The control boxes was all you got if you bought them.



Juice Nichols

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Sep 22nd, 2016 11:31 AM        

Yes, the Aviom system is worthless without an A-Net distributer and input module. The studio I work in has this system and they are good systems. Allows you to personally mix 16 channels via CAT 5 cable. You'll drop some cash setting it up. This system isn't cheap.



Tony Wright



Stillwater, OK

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Sep 22nd, 2016 10:23 PM        

I may be mistaken but the Aviom is a "hard wired" system, so while it is an IEM, it is not a wireless IEM, correct?



Juice Nichols

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Sep 23rd, 2016 06:57 AM        

Correct Tony. I'm sure if you had your personal mixer feeding the transmitter for your wireless rig it would still work great though and the drummer and bass player could probably just run their ear buds into their personal mixer.



Roly

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Whitehorse Canada

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Nov 7th, 2016 05:57 AM        

Just went through Bruce Cockburn's tech ryder from last summer.<br /> "Quality in ear wireless monitoring system (shure 600 or 700, sennheiser EW 300)"<br /> <br /> Bruce can afford anything he wants, so I expect all of the models listed above are high end.<br /> <br /> cheers



Gaukdawg



Ohio

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Nov 13th, 2016 08:24 AM        

Well as a band we bought Shure PSM400 system and at first they seemed to work okay. After a couple years of them starting to work sometimes, I bought a JTS system from forum sponsor Amazon and to be honest it has worked great. The first one I dropped and the body packstopped working. It took a little bit but I found the stateside rep and they replaced the whole system at no cost. The JTS IEMs have worked great for 2 years. Nice and clear sound and sounds great with my customer fit Westone Earbuds. No static or any noise in the system.



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