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alnico357



Arkansas, USA

Jul 31st, 2016 03:24 PM        

Our band agreed to play a bar for the door. Eight people came in and refused to pay, saying they worked there (but were off duty). Our door keeper went around to collect $s from the customers who had arrived before we were set to start. Some of them refused to pay. The owner then told us he didn't charge early arrivals, and said he'd take care of the employees. He didn't.<br /> <br /> We have learned our lesson.



Gaukdawg



Ohio

Say what one more time!
Jul 31st, 2016 08:35 PM        

Yup, you need a strong armed friend of the band to work the door for those kind of deals and even then it's difficult to get a fair deal. I'll never work for the door again.



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Jul 31st, 2016 08:38 PM        

Dang, I think the whole band should have gone to the restroom and pee'd in the floor.



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Aug 1st, 2016 06:27 AM        

"I'll never work for the door again."<br /> <br /> Ditto.<br /> <br /> Too many hassles. First, I don't want to subject any of my friends to that task. Second, even with that, I know of instances where a venue has said "you can have the door" and then at the end of the night, they claimed they deserved a cut of the door, too. <br /> Not even close to worth it.



acplayer



MA

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Aug 1st, 2016 06:28 AM        

In my band-gigging days there was a place in a nearby city that had bands routinely play for the door.<br /> A band representative needed to be at the door tracking things due to the fact that the female bar owner would routinely let the "bar flies" (Friday/Saturday night "regulars") in for free.<br /> <br /> This seemed to be a regular part of the owner's business plan...<br /> <br /> She contact me looking for my band to fill a slot and I started laughing.... I told her that I would only go in there if I added a 6th person to our group...The 6th person was to monitor the door. <br /> She said, "we can take care of the door". sure.........<br /> <br /> I couldn't help laughing due to the fact that her place was legendary for taking advantage of bands....and she thought that it was "part of business" to do so<br />



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Aug 1st, 2016 07:15 AM        

Bar/club owners crap all over you only if you let them.<br /> <br /> Not all are punks--but plenty are.<br /> <br />



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

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Aug 1st, 2016 08:40 AM        

"Not all are punks--but plenty are."<br /> <br /> And the ones that are I refuse to play for.



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So. Cal. USA

Aug 1st, 2016 10:29 AM        

Back when, we played at a nice up-scale club in Encinitas. They paid well and treated us like assets not liabilities. Enter a new manager and things changed. Work for the door. It was a larger place that would hold 200 guests or so. <br /> <br /> We packed the place as usual and got not much more than tip money for our troubles. The door guy let all of his friends and regulars in without paying the cover. Mind you this joint has always had a cover charge. We cancelled our other bookings there.<br /> <br /> The other big rip off is working for a % of the bar take when management won't show you the evenings receipts. I'm certain I've been screwed by a few clubs on that one too.



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Aug 1st, 2016 11:19 AM        

The only time I played the door was a regular gig turned into a Christmas party. We were promised a portion of advanced ticket sales if they exceeded x amount. They did, the place was packed at 3 different levels. We got our regular fixed amount which by our calculation was less than 25% of what we were owed. Our keyboard player (my brother in law) lost it, in the owners face about his dishonesty and we never went back. <br /> <br /> Up to that point it was a cool casual Monday night gig. "The Door" is too ambiguous.



tepperson



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Aug 1st, 2016 11:23 AM        

Fortunately for one band, we don't have to play bars anymore ...<br /> <br /> For the other, ditto to the above ...



alnico357



Arkansas, USA

Aug 1st, 2016 01:54 PM        

This was a special gig as a favor. In 50 years of playing I have never encountered a place where early arrivals don't have to pay, and simply refuse to do so, with the backing of the owner. Some bar gigs are a lot of fun.



LadyJazzer



Colorado, USA

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Aug 1st, 2016 08:42 PM        

I stopped "playing for the door" in 1963... I haven't since, nor will I ever. I (we) have a fee, and the venue either pays it, or they don't. Their response determines whether I will play there or not.



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

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Aug 1st, 2016 08:58 PM        

"I (we) have a fee, and the venue either pays it, or they don't. "<br /> <br /> Those are my sentiments as well LJ.<br /> <br /> Edit:<br /> I'll edit this to say that I will negotiate the fee if the venue is a good place to play or not. I won't sell other musicians short though. It's not fair to my fellow musicians in the area to play for too cheap, but there are plenty of jack wads that will play for next to nothing. You get what you pay for though.



tahitijack



San Clemente, CA

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Aug 5th, 2016 01:08 PM        

Is there a Fleetwood Mac song in there?



iammr2



Lower Slobovia

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Aug 5th, 2016 08:02 PM        

Flat fee, the only way to go.<br /> <br /> And gone are the days when the manager went to collect the pay with a .38 in his pocket...good times!



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Aug 5th, 2016 09:42 PM        

Here's a song about that.



tahitijack



San Clemente, CA

Happy Sunsets, tahitijack
Aug 6th, 2016 10:57 AM        

Been down one time, been down two times, never going back again.



Gaukdawg



Ohio

Say what one more time!
Aug 8th, 2016 07:21 AM        

Just an additional comment, we very rarely play without a signed contract. And don't play too many bars anymore. Those 10 till 2:00 gigs can go to the younger bands. Especially on a Friday night after a full day's work. <br /> <br /> I guess I'm turning into an old geezer!



stinger22



USA

Sep 5th, 2016 11:31 AM        

You could always wrist band people coming in and paying. You know how many you start out with. You see someone without one, make them pay for one or leave. Count how many remaining at the end of the night and tell the owner any difference he makes it up.<br /> <br /> I hate the damn things but it can keep the bar honest if they are running the door or trying to let people in the back.<br /> <br /> Flat rate and tips the way to go.



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Sep 5th, 2016 04:01 PM        

We used to play this small but good club in our home town. Tried like heck to get booked and finally booked a gig for $150 for the first time but then for the door afterward. This was back in the mid 70's. The door should have easily brought us $400. Our strong following filled the place and we got paid $150. Next weekend we packed them in and the club owner said "we only got $150 from the door". Wrong. No Way. The club owner was a greedy drunk pervert. We played a few more times then pulled out and took our crowd. Within a few weeks the place was boarded up.



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