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TheProfessor

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Jan 23rd, 2016 05:51 PM        

Has anyone else noticed that the prices of Fenders seems to be declining. I'd noticed it over the past year or so with larger amps (Vibrolux Reverbs and bigger) but now it seems to be affecting BF Princeton Reverbs (sinking below 2K) and Vibro Champs (I saw one up for $500 today) as well.<br /> <br /> Is is just a couple of anecdotal anomalies?



Pinetree

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Jan 23rd, 2016 07:01 PM        

Everything goes in cycles.<br /> <br /> <br />



guitarcapo



U.S.A.

Jan 23rd, 2016 09:04 PM        

The underlying market forces are giving way. Baby boomers who value this stuff are either packed with all the gear they'll ever want... or dying off. Combine that with the fact that new gear is technologically arguably better due to decades of innovation and the fact that the components are new. Combine THAT with the fact that vintage gear gets devalued when it's used and banged up. Combine THAT with the fact that modern music calls for vintage sounds less and less. Combine THAT with the fact that there's more pressure making a living as a guitar player these days. And did you notice Asia is having a bit of a slump lately? <br /> <br /> I predict a further drop. It was a bit of a bubble back in the day.



urby

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Jan 24th, 2016 01:10 PM        

Unfortunately I agree with everything guitarcapo states. I own a '65 Vibrolux (that I plan to take to the grave. My "all-time" favorite amp!) and keep track of that model on ebay, reverb, or at guitar shops, guitar shows, etc... Most of the sellers won't sell for less than what they're asking, so I see the same amps come up for sale over and over again. <br /> <br /> The ones that sell are by a few desperate souls that I guess need the money. I have had the pleasure of owning some nice tweed, brown and blackface amps through the years but have sold them off only because I wanted to, not that I needed to. I shudder to think to have to sell off any gear for financial reasons.



roadhog96



USA / CT.

Jan 24th, 2016 01:29 PM        

Yah I was thinking about this too. Once the baby boomers are all gone who's going to really care about things that have no meaning to them like these old vintage amps and cars for that matter. We all think those old cars are cool because it was our past but the young kids today wouldn't want them old gas hog clunkers. Me, I love them just like these old Fender amps. What's going to happen to my stuff when I'm gone. Hopefully it won't be some time soon. I still have a lot of buying to do.



Pinetree

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Jan 24th, 2016 01:42 PM        

It does make ya wonder if the old car hobby is going to die off.<br /> <br /> <br />



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Jan 24th, 2016 06:09 PM        

Pine tree is correct.<br /> <br /> I watch all of the car auctions on TV. Lately there have been major collections sold off by guys my age (70). They're gettin' out while the gettin' is good.<br /> <br /> 6



lonesomebill



USA/Southwest

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Jan 25th, 2016 06:12 AM        

I have noticed the prices of Fender tube amps declining too. The younger musicians I meet at jams really like the sound of them, but the prices scare them off.



Te 52



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Jan 25th, 2016 03:15 PM        

Boomers starting to die off. Pop music no longer guitar-centered. Slowly but surely, a musical era is winding down and fading away [reaches for hanky to wipe away tear].



roadhog96



USA / CT.

Jan 25th, 2016 06:29 PM        

On the other hand the Silverface prices have been steadily going up. I've seen quit a few of the 68-69 Deluxe Reverb go for around $2000. This is another one that just sold. Not long ago these were averaging $1200. Other SF models are climbing higher also but it's the real clean ones.



TheProfessor

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Jan 25th, 2016 06:40 PM        

Indeed -- Deluxe Reverbs seem to be the sweet spot along with tweed Champs. However, up until last year, Princeton Reverbs, Vibro Champs and Vibrolux Reverbs also were similarly in demand.



Doc Sarvis

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Jan 25th, 2016 08:09 PM        

My vintage amps are all holding their money in the current market. I've overpaid for a couple of vintage guitars though.<br /> <br /> I always chuckle to myself when a "rare" 5G4 comes up listed at $4k and I just know the "watchers" are all owners like me with no intention to bid $2K let alone the starting price. There are very few buyers in this market but I think vintage gear will always hold value.



John Peden



U S A, NYC

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Jan 27th, 2016 09:13 AM        

The DESIRABLE stuff continues to go up in asking and selling price IMHO. Of course what's considered desirable changes from time to time. Fender amps were mass produced items so there are lots of them out there in various conditions. Can there be any doubt that "tweed" Fender amps in collector or museum grade will sell quickly and for more today than ever before? It's true that FEIC Princeton and Deluxe reverbs sell for more than Twins from the same era but that's been the rule for quite some time. You don't need me to explain why. Be patient, only purchase really desirable stuff in first rate condition, maintain and use it and you'll be fine.



BbendFender

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Jan 27th, 2016 10:40 AM        

Things have come a long way since I bought my first Tele. I think I got a '66 Tele and a little Kustom amp back in '75 for around $200. I remember Telecasters in some of the Dallas/Garland pawn shops were around $200-250 for a 60's model. There were blackface Fender amps all over the place for cheap.



urby

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Jan 27th, 2016 01:02 PM        

"Be patient, only purchase really desirable stuff in first rate condition, maintain and use it and you'll be fine. "<br /> <br /> John, I know you are really involved in this stuff and have enjoyed your contributions over the years. Thank you! <br /> <br /> I might be wrong but I don't see the players today that are 19-40 years old having much interest in amps made in the 50's and 60's. The ones that might are going to be the pros, but even then I am doubtful. <br /> <br /> And then there's the everyday player. For us that started playing in the 60's and 70's, we could buy an old Fender tweed, brown or blackface amp. They were very affordable, even for the hobbyists. Now those very same amps are valued up in the thousands of dollars. I don't think those types of players would consider a vintage amp. Too expensive.<br /> <br /> Plus, are there as many people interested in learning to play as there were 20-30-40-50 years ago? I don't know for sure but my guess would be a absolutely not.<br /> <br /> So, isn't it just wishful thinking that all of this gear will retain it's value? I hope I'm wrong and you being an insider might have some insight on why I am. If you care to share on any of this, thanks!



Doc Sarvis

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Tuned Strings and Tight Lines
Jan 27th, 2016 08:25 PM        

As long as humans seek to acquire and hold things that connect them to a seminal or formative time in history vintage gear will hold value. It has much to do with the connection or the "want" to make that connection.



twangdoodles



michigan usa

Jan 28th, 2016 05:47 AM        

"are there as many people interested in learning to play as there were 20-30-40-50 years ago?"<br /> <br /> My guess is that there are more now. When we were young most of our parents weren't into guitar-based music so much. Consequently many of us wound up in the school band playing trombone or being forced to take piano lessons where we learned all about music that we had no connection to or interest in. <br /> <br /> Parents these days can more often share their musical tastes with kids without getting the eye-roll. The likes of Hendrix, Page, etc. are not lost on today's youth. <br /> <br /> They say that Millennials out-number baby-boomers and I haven't heard anything about companies like Fender down-sizing. Yeah, genres like electronica aren't going anywhere but they're not displacing guitar-based music either. <br /> <br /> All that said, I hope for my sake that the vintage market falls flat 'cause I refuse to pay the current prices for that stuff. I don't see that ever happening however. We'll see...



urby

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Jan 28th, 2016 11:53 AM        

Yeah, I guess in this case only time will tell but currently things appear to be "stuck", especially with the high-end vintage stuff.



SoK66

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Mar 5th, 2016 01:26 PM        

Over the past couple years I've been selling off much of my collection. Definitely less value in vintage amps these days, in some cases I got half what they would have sold for even five years ago. I've had a '73 SFVR listed for months now at $850, no takers. OTOH, I sold off some Marshall clones very quickly for good money. Market is fickle and goes in waves. Very clean tweeds still sell at a premium, some browns too.



Silverface



Redondo Beach CA

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Mar 26th, 2016 11:40 PM        

The entire vintage market is flat right now, with a few exceptions where specific models are in use regularly by certain players (the Gibson Trini Lopez/Dave Growl, for example).<br /> <br /> Seems like almost everything if going for prices below Vintage Price Guide values right now.



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