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Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

Same ol **** but my hair's longer
Jun 20th, 2015 12:34 PM        

Ah the joys of playing in bars! A venue we play couple of weekends a year mixed the weekends up that we were supposed to be playing and thought we were supposed to be playing this weekend vice next. The only reason we even knew there was an issue is because some friends showed up to watch us play and we weren't there. <br /> <br /> Called them to sort it out today and the owner called us every name in the book, said we ditched him for a better paying gig, said we'd never play there again, said FU, hung up and wouldn't allow us to get a word in edge wise. The best part is we still have the piece of paper the owner wrote the dates on for us. Guess what the dates are? That's right, next weekend.<br /> <br /> This is a venue that's also notorious for screwing stuff up and we're hardly the only band that's had issues with this owner. <br /> <br /> Just thought I'd share a bar horror story with y'all.



Vic Vega

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Jun 20th, 2015 12:37 PM        

Wait for things to calm down and then bring in the paper with the dates he wrote down. Show it to him and assure him that you'd never do what he said you did.



littleuch

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Jun 20th, 2015 12:46 PM        

My conversation ender with people like this moving forward is "I'm sure you think you're being assertive right now but you're not, you're just being an a-hole".<br /> <br /> I've met my share of "assertive" club owners.



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

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Jun 20th, 2015 12:51 PM        

I would Vic if I was interested in playing there again. I'm of the mindset right now that he can go F himself. This guys has burnt so many bridges with good bands in this area it's not even funny.



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

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Jun 20th, 2015 12:52 PM        

"My conversation ender with people like this moving forward is "I'm sure you think you're being assertive right now but you're not, you're just being an a-hole"."<br /> <br /> He didn't give us the chance to explain because he hung up.



stinger22



USA

Jun 21st, 2015 08:29 AM        

If you are serious about not playing there again and you have a band Facebook page post an appology to the fans who may have showed up and a pic of the written agreement with the owner and the explanation of why you wont play there again.



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

Same ol **** but my hair's longer
Jun 21st, 2015 09:19 AM        

Already done Stringer with exception of the picture of the paper. Thought about posting a picture of it but thought better of it and decided against it. Theres nothing on it proves it came from them at face value, but we know the origin of it and I'm sure the owner would recognize his own hand writing. <br /> <br /> Regardless, we won't be the first band that's boycotted the place and I'm sure we won't be the last. One good thing that came out of it, is another venue saw our FB post and wants us for the days we lost. Social media is a wonderful thing in these situations.



littleuch

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Jun 21st, 2015 11:15 AM        

If your FB post offers an explanation that cites the error being the club owners fault I'd think a pic of the paper would only add to your case. <br /> <br /> Either way, glad its working out for you.



Hammond101

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Jun 22nd, 2015 09:25 AM        

People of some ilk, when they know they are wrong, respond with only anger. Sounds like your club owner is this type of person.<br /> <br /> I know the "revenge is needed feeling" but try to avoid going there.<br /> <br /> I'd bet this guy would not admit the paper he wrote the dates on was his. It's just the way some people are. I try to avoid them once they have been identified.<br /> <br /> Good on ya for the Facebook post.



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

Same ol **** but my hair's longer
Jun 22nd, 2015 01:26 PM        

Thanks Hammond!<br /> <br /> Although this was a cool club to play we won't miss it any. The owner is just too difficult to deal with. He's harder than heck to track down for a booking and then when you finally do get in touch with him he has a million excuses why he can't give you any dates at the time. I don't know why he hasn't turned that job over to one of his employees because he obviously doesn't have time for it. <br /> <br /> The part that really chaps my butt (other than the original post) is that these dates have been booked for so long that we've turned down some good gigs due to the dates being taken. Oh well, life goes on. We've been busier than heck this year and none of our gigs were at this place so he can KMA as far as I'm concerned.



Steve Dallman

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Merrill, Wisconsin

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Jun 22nd, 2015 01:54 PM        

No matter what a venue does, I would never swear at them. Stay professional...stay objective...don't burn any bridges. Trust me. Don't say anything that you may regret later. Don't say anything that can come back to bite you. Don't say anything that could make you or your band look bad...even if the venue owner deserves it, and you are in the right. Venue owners talk with each other. Social media can take any comment or issue and make it out there for the world, and what's said is forever...with consequences.



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

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Jun 22nd, 2015 02:00 PM        

I agree Steve and we've done none of what you mentioned. We do our best to keep everything on a professional level. Had it not been for his tirade I wouldn't have even brought it up on here. Mistakes happen, bands get double booked etc..<br /> <br /> We were ready and willing to make things right if given the chance. Unfortunately, we didn't get the opportunity.



Peegoo

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Jun 22nd, 2015 04:29 PM        

Your fans will understand--especially if this club owner has a history of band crapping.



Trumpet



usa

Jun 23rd, 2015 08:43 AM        

With few exceptions, bar owners are generally not the pillars of the community.



surecat



United States

Jun 23rd, 2015 09:41 AM        

I like Vic's suggestion. I can understand why and how you feel that way, but maybe (just maybe) when things cool down, you can leverage this situation to your advantage with this manager. It sucks but keeping your head cool like you have (vent to us)... you'll likely win in the long run. Everyone gets shafted in this business with the bars at one time or another. If and when you return, once the ice is broken, joke about it...show him the dates, etc. With the right timing, you'll have this guy in your corner. <br /> <br /> Another thing, I'm sure that you check out their web site /facebook page assuming that they have an event calendar that lists their bands / dates / times/ etc. If not, then I'm sure that you sent out emails, posted on Facebook, etc. for marketing.....One last thing that I do especially with a new venue &/or one that doesn't have web page, etc. (although, it seems like most do...), is send them or drop off posters (can even use Publisher and make your own) to the venue with date/time well in advance....Even after about 10 years, we still have a mix-up / cancellation ..... but if you aren't on the web page, their sign, etc. then you never know.... If a manager gets our posters 3-4 wks in advance, then you hope if there's a conflict, then he'd notify you ASAP...then you can recover or he tells the other band to stay home since you have demonstrated some marketing/promotion efforts.....Good luck



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

Same ol **** but my hair's longer
Jun 23rd, 2015 11:45 AM        

I know what you mean about not wanting to burn any bridges surecat. Who knows? I may want to try and get back in there someday with another group. <br /> <br /> The place does have a Facebook page, but they are terrible about keeping it up to date and they don't have an events calendar. Believe me, that was one of the first things I checked when the mix up happened and there was nada on their page. (imagine my surprise?) Honestly, I don't know how this place stays in business with the way they do business, but the place is packed every weekend. Go figure.



Tony Wright



Stillwater, OK

Built for comfort, not for speed.
Jun 24th, 2015 08:52 AM        

If I followed this correctly, the venue believes you were booked for the week end of June 19-20? And you have a piece of paper showing you booked for June 26-27...<br /> <br /> The only question is whether you iron this problem out in order to play the gig YOU agreed to perform.<br /> <br /> The interpersonal issues aside, you have an engagement you agreed to perform. Now, if you fail to resolve this and simply do not show up, you have lowered yourself to the standards of the person that the idiot bar owner believes you to be. "No Show Juice". You and I know you did not do what the owner thinks...resolve that issue and perform and get your money. If you are serious about not playing that venue again, do not knock on his door and if the phone rings, simply decline future engagements..."sorry, we are not available that date...no, nothing open that month. The next month, sorry, we are not booking that far in advance."



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

Same ol **** but my hair's longer
Jun 24th, 2015 10:03 AM        

Tony, the owner cancelled us for this weekend. Otherwise we would have been there as scheduled.



Juice Nichols

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Panama City, FL

Same ol **** but my hair's longer
Jun 26th, 2015 10:58 AM        

Well, turns out this venue has no music this weekend. Probably because they FIRED the band that was supposed to be there. I'm sure when they were trying to figure out who the band was for this weekend that the realization hit them that they were the ones that F'd up in the first place.



Tony Wright



Stillwater, OK

Built for comfort, not for speed.
Jun 26th, 2015 06:41 PM        

Well, one thing for sure...<br /> <br /> No band for two weeks? This place is gonna learn what their future is without live music a whole lot faster than the bankruptcy court makes their decision.



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