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reverend mikey

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Dec 12th, 2006 07:36 AM        

I played the new Bandit yesterday at Russo's Music Center in Omaha.

Here's my review...

The Clean Channel:
For me this is where this amp shines! There are now three modes on the clean channel: Vintage (think blackface Fender); Classic (yes, Peavey Classic Series); and Warm (like Classic with more low end; perhaps shooting for a JSX 412 clean in a 112 package).

With a little tweaking of the tone knobs on each setting, I found great clean tones - warm, nice highs, good punch (with the amp set to 100% on the back T-Dynamics switch). Change the T-Dynamics to 50% or 25% and the tone stays nice, it just loses some punch, but you can turn it up more, and it dirties up a little. With humbuckers, you can get a little more hair on it in the 25% mode, like a tube amp.

One of the most noticeable qualities of the clean channel was the incredible low end. Roger Crimm of Peavey is right: this Blue Marvel speaker sounds very good. Full, round, punchy, not mushy on the Strat's neck pickup...I was playing the amp part of the time turned up to 12 noon, and it held together well.

Another place where this thing is very versatile: the Resonance switch on the back, which has three settings; Tight, Medium and Loose. The best way to describe the change here is Tight feels like your home, 'bedroom' setting, switch over to Loose for a wide open, on stage sound (on the overdrive channel, the change between these two settings is enormous; like the old "taking a blanket off the cab" cliche)...it's a very useable feature.

Vintage, Classic or Warm, each had it's own character that adds a flavor to the amp that many players who go from style to style will find useful.

THE CLEAN CHANNEL GETS A 10!

The Lead Channel:
Again, there are three settings like before (Vintage, Modern and High Gain, I think). Each is a unique voice, like the clean channel, my favorites are Vintage and High Gain. It takes me a lot more tweaking on the lead channel to sounds I'm happy with, but they're there...this think really shines with humbuckers, though (I played my Warmoth "Fat Strat" with JB and Jazz pups in it).

With single coils, I had the most trouble dialing in the right amount of highs (not ending up with a buzzy high end on the gain settings), which often requires a little tweak of the tone knob on the guitar, too.

Turn the lead channel up (I did this more with the humbucker loaded guitar) and the sound gets richer, unlike some SS amps where it starts to get harsh...it stayed thick, punchy and dynamic, throwing the resonance switch over to Loose seemed like it doubled the power...not the volume, but it just felt so much bigger! Much bigger than a 112 amp (and this thing has a much bigger cab than Peavey's Classic 30, which I think makes a huge difference in the sound it puts out).

But for high gain players, there's LOTS of tones in this amp to mess with, and the speaker really holds onto the low end; I suspect this amp would sound really good with a 7-string or a guitar tuned down.

THE LEAD CHANNEL GETS A 7.5 with sinngle coils, a 9 with humbuckers!!!

A few other things:

The Reverb (digital - so no more loud clanging when you bump or move the amp) sounds good, but a little is plenty; it will wash out around 5 on up (to my ears).

Cosmetics are very good; better than the pictures, which make it look like a toy (to me, anyway). It's a tough looking package in the flesh. The one thing that would make it look boutique: cover the curved panel behind the Peavey badge on front with tolex - that would be very cool!

A very nice package - Peavey went the right direction this time when they 'updated' this amp; more traditional cosmetics, tweaked the tone, gave it more low end (to my ears, anyway) and added a line out with speaker simulation (didn't get to try this feature).

If you need a great sounding amp for situations where you just don't want the hassle of tubes, this thing is great, and I dare say the clean channel is nice enough for recording.

My next test of this will include trying my Fulltone FullDrive 2 in front of it to see how it responds to pedals...stay tuned!




AlsoRan



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Dec 12th, 2006 08:55 AM        

Thanks for the great review! I've been wanting to try this series of amps for awhile now, but I can't find it anywhere near me.



misterdetail



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Dec 12th, 2006 09:24 AM        

Thanks for the review! I've been curious about these, as well. I probably would have bought one had they become available sooner but I found a used 2nd generation Transtube Bandit (red stripe/Delta symbol on front) on eBay for $200 and bought it. One thing I don't understand about the new Chinese-made Bandits is the price - they cost as much as the previous USA-made ones, and they don't include a footswitch. I thought making them overseas would lower the price, but that's apparently not the case .



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Dec 12th, 2006 11:05 AM        

I got a second or third generation off ebay for $167.00
Absolutely love it!
Best Clean I have ever played through.



reverend mikey

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Dec 12th, 2006 11:17 AM        

misterdetail,

yeah - price. I suspect that continuing to make them in the USA would have caused the price to go up...Peavey just announced a price increase across the board in September. The very simple explanation (on one of their forums): costs go up = prices go up. The price of petroleum products is so widespread (beyond just having to ship things) that there have to be priced increases on lots of products today if quality is going to stay the same. And you're right, it would be nice if it included the footswitch; I'd say if you're buying it locally, try to get them to throw it in as part of the sale.

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I like the cosmetics on these new Bandits much better than the previous ones (with the red strip and Delta symbol on them). And the quality on these seems to be the same as the USA ones, and I think the speaker is actually a BETTER speaker than used in previous ones...it sounds HUGE on the Loose setting.



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Dec 14th, 2006 09:41 PM        

"And the quality on these seems to be the same as the USA ones, and I think the speaker is actually a BETTER speaker than used in previous ones...it sounds HUGE on the Loose setting."

I believe it uses a Sheffield Speaker (Bandit Transtube 112S) as does mine. They are reported to be better than the original.




reverend mikey

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Dec 16th, 2006 02:02 PM        

This is a new Blue Marvel speaker that was developed especially for this Bandit amp...I'm very impressed with it.

I like some Blue Marvel's better than others, and it's strictly a design thing. I had 10" Blue Marvel's in my Delta Blues and I hated them...they're very similar in build and tone to a Celestion 10" that we used in one of my son's Envoy's for awhile. Very flat sounding, no sparkle - but great for the high gain stuff he likes to do.

But the standard Blue Marvel 10" that comes in the previous generation Envoy sounds great to my ears in my Delta Blues! It's build more like a Jensen (or like the Reverend's I have in there now), but with a smaller magnet, and it's 6 ohms instead of 8 ohms...not a big enough difference to 'hurt' anything.

So the most important feature of a speaker isn't the label on it, it's the actual design of the speaker.



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Dec 26th, 2006 09:30 PM        

Ten years ago, I bought the Bandit 112 because the clean channel was better (IMHO) than the amp that I was considering--a JC120. These transtube PV are for real. Hey Rev--how's Russo's doing these days? I was born and raised in Omaha and frequently checked the place out, though I did most of my shopping at D-Rocks as I could only afford used equipment.



reverend mikey

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Dec 29th, 2006 04:25 PM        

Russos seems to be doing well; I bought my first 'real' lefty acoustic guitar (an Ibanez) and my first decent amp (a Music Man 210/65, I believe, wish I still had it) from Vince Russo when he was operating out of his basement...this was in around '78-'79...

Vince is long gone, of course (moved to Arkansas from what I heard), but the store is healthy; they've moved several times (closed the store that used to be on 84th Street), and right now have the largest floor space of any guitar shop in Omaha, and they actually have more square feet (devoted to guitars, basses and amps)than the new Guitar Center that just opened in Lincoln (which also has a bunch of drums and keyboards wasting space...).

Russo's isn't a Gibson dealer any more (imagine that; Dietze still carries Gibson/Epiphone), but they carry Fender, Gretsch, Music Man, Ibanez, Taylors, Martin, Breedlove, Seagull, Mesa Boogie, Matchless, Rivera, Marshall, Peavey, Orange, Vox, Ampeg, Wright (ptp tweed style amps made here in Lincoln...very nice), and the usual mid and low end stuff.

They're located off of 114th & Dodge, if you're ever in town.

And check out that new Peavey Bandit if you get the chance...I'm very close to getting one (maybe for my birthday next week...).



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Dec 30th, 2006 11:10 PM        

I have a Bandit 112 Type 1 and really, really liked it. Sounded better after a Reverend All-Tone speaker swap. I beat the livin' hell out of the thing for 4 years, and it cuts-out now. Probably an easy fix.
I'm going to try the new one out as soon as I see one in the stores. I have been looking for the perfect Fender amp (I like clean and 'verb), and this may be one to get if I get a Twin and play some small places.
The TYPE II was an improvement, and it sounds as if III is a real winner.



reverend mikey

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Jan 2nd, 2007 02:55 PM        

I agree on the Reverend speakers: I have two of the 10" All-Tone 1025's in my Delta Blues, and it transformed that amp! Great speakers for a decent price...too bad Joe stopped making 'em.





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Jan 5th, 2007 07:07 PM        

"I bought the Bandit 112 because the clean channel was better (IMHO) than the amp that I was considering--a JC120"

I agree!
I had a JC-90 and the Bandit 112 is better.
I put a Weber Michigan in it. Super clean speaker. EV (Electrovoice) like clean tone.



Steve Dallman

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Jan 6th, 2007 10:43 AM        

The Transtube circuits are really interesting. Discrete pairs of transistors with diodes in the biasing, varying from stage to stage. Unique.

IPLAYLOUD, cutting out in PV's is usually caused by the effects return jack. If the return jack is fouled or broken from the solder joints, it'll cut out.



reverend mikey

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Jan 6th, 2007 08:01 PM        

The new Bandit cab is almost big enough to put 2 12" speakers in (!); it's 24" wide, about 2" wider than the Valve King. This huge cab, with the Resonance knob set on "Loose," sounds almost as big as a 212...I may have to go play it some more tomorrow...but every time it gives me GAS again!



IPLAYLOUD

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Jan 10th, 2007 12:45 AM        

Steve...I have NEVER used the Send/Return jacks.
Could it just be dust or something that has gotten into the jacks? I know nothing about amp electronics. Is it an easy fix? Would plugging a chord into the jacks help?
I would rather not spend $150 to have it fixed...I would rather put the $$$ towards a bandit MKIII!!!



Steve Dallman

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Jan 12th, 2007 07:14 AM        

Plug a jumper cord in the loop. If that's the problem it should bring it back. If you've not used the jacks, then it might just be a tiny bit of corrosion or gunk, not broken solder joints.



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Feb 10th, 2007 06:59 PM        

Just bought a Peavy Envoy 110 with the Transtube.
I play clean, and it sounds great



Caper



Canada

Mar 23rd, 2007 06:32 PM        

I have 2 Peavey Bandit 112's here right now, both are from the 80's with Scorpion speakers. One looks like it was bought and never used, it had the original cover, this thing is absolutely spotless. The other one had a blown speaker and was cutting out when I got it. A friend told me to check the jacks as well, he was bang on. I replaced the basket with a new Scorpion and bought 4 new jacks and swapped them myself, it was quite easy. While I had the circuit board out I also noticed there were a couple of weak solder joints. I changed the effects jacks and the power and pre-amp jacks at the back of the amp. After I finished soldering I put the chasis back in the cab and fired it up, no more cutting out, sounds fantastic. These amps are built like tanks and sound great to boot.



telegib



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Mar 25th, 2007 03:12 PM        

I've bought one too. It's not the newest version but an older one laying around the shop maybe a late 2005.

Much better sounding than the Bandits of old.

I have a thread on this forum. I think I posted it in Misc Non Fender which was the wrong forum but it got moved here to the right thread.




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Apr 9th, 2007 11:28 AM        

"Plug a jumper cord in the loop. If that's the problem it should bring it back. If you've not used the jacks, then it might just be a tiny bit of corrosion or gunk, not broken solder joints."

Absolutely right! I had a Bandit do the same thing and I only used the send/return loop once! It was fixed under warranty, but the tech said to expect it again at some point. Not necessarily a PV problem--it happens alot with plastic switching jacks no matter what amp it's in.



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