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Mick Reid
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Oct 6th, 2019 04:20 PM   Edit   Profile  

Just curious, which method did you employ?

Cap & resistor (series or parallel?) or cap only?


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Oct 6th, 2019 05:57 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm a huge fan of the treble bleed/bypass scheme.

Some players don't like it because it retains highs as the volume is rolled off. Many of those players are used to that 'low fi' roll-off effect and use it as part of their technique/tone.

For me, in a combo format, the treble bypass is great because I can go from playing rhythm, and then roll up to play fills & breaks, and roll back off to clean rhythm without getting lost in the mix.

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Oct 6th, 2019 07:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yup different strokes for different folks. I have tried them before, and my perception is that the sound gets thinner with a treble bleed but in reality it is just maintaining highs. This is how I know I am a fan of non-treble bleed circuits.

I record and don't jigger jog volume much live. When I do, I usually am going into a background kind of role and like the somewhat warmer sound.

But I can see how it would work wonders for some guitars and situations/players.

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Oct 6th, 2019 08:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

Mick...I bought a couple of the pre made cap/resistor in parallel...shrink wrap on the caps...fit nicely right into the vol. pot...off the top of my head I couldn't tell you the value of them..

slid em all the way to the shrink wrap, soldered, and snipped off the excess
P...I hated rolling off the vol and losing the hi frequency..lol.....but I can understand why some would like it...my Bardens lose some but not to the point of sounding muddy...I doubt I'll mess with it..


all in all a pretty cool mod

Mick Reid
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Oct 6th, 2019 09:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm a bit funny (read: weird) as I have treble bleeds in some of my guitars and not others.

I feel there are a couple of my strats that are ok without it, and others that genuinely benefit from having it.

Also, I've mostly become a convert (via Peegoo) to just using a cap (.001uf) when I do put in a treble bleed.


ejm

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Oct 7th, 2019 09:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

Actually, there are several treble bleed mods.

1) None at all.
2) Cap only.
3) Cap and resistor in parallel.
4) Cap and resistor in series.
5) Cap and resistor in series, and another smaller cap in parallel with that. (I may be incorrect somewhat on this one. I'm going off of memory here, from an article I have around here somewhere that was in Vintage Guitar magazine around 20 years ago.)

After years of brief dinking around with a few of the configurations, I use either #2 or #4 depending on my mood, guitar, etc.


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Oct 7th, 2019 09:15 AM   Edit   Profile  

There is no "best" scheme; each method does what it does. The absolute best thing to try is all of them, and one will sound best to your ears.

The reason is tone is totally subjective. Equally important are the guitar the amp you play both have a huge influence on the treble bypass effect.

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Oct 7th, 2019 07:14 PM   Edit   Profile  

There is so a best one.

THE ONE I'M USING.

That requires me to flip a dip switch and ignore it for eternity unless I want to turn it off!

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Oct 7th, 2019 08:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

^^LOL^^

DrKev

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Oct 7th, 2019 11:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, no best scheme. From the point of view of electronics, the cable capacitance is part of the issue so I tend to recommend a similar value for the cap with a parallel resistor for the most neutral tone through the volume pot range. But most people will be happy with almost anything. For years I was very happy with 2nF cap with a parallel resistor which is way higher than almost anyone recommends.

DrKev's Treble Bleed Mod round-up

Pinetree
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Oct 8th, 2019 12:03 AM   Edit   Profile  

I'm a fan.

(This message was last edited by Pinetree at 01:04 PM, Oct 8th, 2019)

ejm

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Oct 8th, 2019 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

Pinetree: All of your mods show the caps with a ........ 100 OHM resistor.

?????

What value of a volume pot are you using these with?
Depending upon which mod you're using, that resistor will either have no effect at all, or a huge most likely undesirable effect.

I'm missing something here.


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Oct 8th, 2019 11:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

To my ears, on my Telecaster, it works.


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Oct 8th, 2019 03:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

Big fan. Have the mod on all my electrics. I figure if you want the top to roll off, that's what the tone control is for! I know, I know, it's still some people's taste. Hey, diff'rent strokes!

Achase4u, I assume you know that different values yield different results, including whether the pickups are single coil or humbuckers. Too high a value, and your sound will get thin. Or you can use a lower value and have the highs roll off just a bit.

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Oct 8th, 2019 07:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yup. Got it on all my guitars--Strats and Tele, all.

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Oct 9th, 2019 05:34 AM   Edit   Profile  

I've never seen a need for it on my single coil guitars. Maybe that's because I only roll back to 8/10 or so.
But any humbucker guitar I've had seemed to need it although I only did it on one of the Ibanez Artists I had. Can't recall exactly which version, although it seems that it was just a cap. Whichever it was, it really did keep the guitar from becoming muddy as the volume rolled off.

I may try it on the Starcaster MP with stock WRHB's. If so, which version would be recommended?

stinger22

USA

Oct 13th, 2019 12:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

Tried it once on my goto Tele. Didn't last long. My guitar, my amp, how I play the tone and volume anyway, my ears..........just wasn't my flavor.

(This message was last edited by stinger22 at 02:01 PM, Oct 13th, 2019)

Steve Dallman

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Oct 15th, 2019 07:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

Kinman is my favorite or a variation of it.

ejm

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Oct 16th, 2019 10:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

Just to be clear, the Kinman TB is a resistor and capacitor in series.


DanL

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Oct 16th, 2019 05:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

I cant remember which TB mod version I put in my Gretsch Country Classic, but it made a huge difference. Big fan!

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