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swampyankee
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If you can't play good, play loud
Sep 14th, 2019 09:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

We brought in a new bass player recently, who brings alot of sound system experience. We had a discussion about our past volume complaints and how to tone things down. The new guy brought his Db meter and we did some tests and adjustments at practice which really helped there.
So we did the same at last nights gig and brought everyone down to 90 Db or so. It brings a whole new dynamic to the band, and presents some new challenges. Traditionally we played unmic'd and our amps were near us - mine on tilt backs - and we'd rely on hearing ourselves and the rest of the instruments in the ambient mix. Now my amp is so quiet I can barely hear it. We tried putting a line out into the monitor mix which helped some, but in order to pursue this, we'll need to tweak things alot more.

As for me, my poor 60 watt Concert Amp was on less than 2 all night, until I decided to turn up to 2-1/2 just to hear myself.

If we pursue this I'm gonna need to trade for a Deluxe!

(This message was last edited by swampyankee at 08:25 AM, Sep 16th, 2019)

Gaukdawg

Ohio

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Sep 14th, 2019 09:37 AM   Edit   Profile  

we mic everything and try to keep stage volume to a minimum. We even use electronic drums. Our biggest issue is we have a horn section and they tend to get kind of loud which cause ear fatigue to those of us in front of them, bass player and other vocalist guitar player, and as a result they do turn up sometimes. We use IEMs and that helps to some extent.

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Sep 14th, 2019 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

If you play with your back to the wall, flip your amp around so the speaker is pointing backwards, with at least a foot of space between the amp and the wall. Yeah, it certainly doesn't "look cool" to do it this way, but it will blow your mind how well the sound is balanced and how it fills the room--and your band mates will easily be able to hear it.

Try this at least once--even if only for a sound check.

swampyankee
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olde New England

If you can't play good, play loud
Sep 16th, 2019 06:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

It'll be interesting to see where this all leads. I'm not sure if the bass player will stick around. We're asking him to do some back up vocals which he's not used to doing. And the band leader/guitarist-singer can be a bit headstrong, so it might be only a matter of time before the bandleader rebels against all the bass player's advice.

I may hold off trading my Concert Amp for a Deluxe...

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Sep 16th, 2019 03:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Now my amp is so quiet I can barely hear it. "

I've had to deal with this too many times. Usually because they get the monitor mix too loud. Let me adjust my amp and get "my tone" from it first, then mix the monitors.
And this is using 5W amps, that's almost the only thing I've used in the last few years. Or a 20W amp, on the 5W setting. We are micing the amps, of course.

Hope it works out for you. But if you adjust everything to 90db, why is your amp so quiet you can barely hear it?

(This message was last edited by walshb at 05:01 PM, Sep 16th, 2019)

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Sep 19th, 2019 06:17 PM   Edit   Profile  

if you mic everything but bass and put it in the monitors then turn the amps around to face you the amps become the extra oomph you need to hear you and the monitor mix allows everyone to hear you

It also enables control of every amp in the FOH because guitars are in the main mix. No one is in the beam and people can be close to the stage. Now with one main fader you can control the room volume and not screw up the mix

Guitars players HATE this. Some even quit bands over this but if you wanna control volume creep and let the sound person have final say (they can bring you up for solos and down if you "forget" to turn down afterwards) you need to not let individual guitar players with varying levels of hearing loss control amp volume.

Venues appreciate a band that can control their volume. This allows the stage volume to be as loud as you can stand but not affect (too much) the FOH volume and mix

jus my 2 cents


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