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Tinkerer
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Sep 9th, 2019 09:02 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have been toying with the idea of a making a 6 string, single pickup guitar, but using an 8 or 10 string pedal steel pickup which would be located in the neck position, but angled toward the bridge to get all of the pickup magnets under the strings.

Is this worth trying, and if so is humbucker or single coil the way to go, and does anyone have any pickup recommendations?

I know absolutely nothing about pedal steel guitars or pickups, but an curious about whether or not this would be a unique and very usable setup?

Thanks!!

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Sep 9th, 2019 07:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

Absolutely it's worth a try. The slight angle of the Strat and Tele bridge pickups does affect the frequency/harmonic response of the pickup because each pole piece is under a different position of the string compared to the adjacent poles/strings.

I have two Teles that have lefty bridges and that 'reverse' angle makes the low E and A strings super twangy, as well as rounding out the tone of the B and high E strings.

And based on your question, I'll assume you've never seen a

Gibson ES-300 from the 1930s-1940s

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Sep 9th, 2019 08:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thank you Peegoo! I have never seen/heard of that model! How were they regarded - have you ever heard or played one?

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Sep 10th, 2019 04:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've played a few. The pickup's weird layout does produce a fairly unbalanced string output because there's generally more string vibration (amplitude) the closer to the 12th fret you get. This makes the lower strings louder than the higher strings. This issue is probably why this concept never caught on.

But you can certainly do the same thing but with less stretch between the polepieces.

Here's another example. It's an odd duck by builder Yuri Landman:

He calls it the Moonlander.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 01:09 AM, Sep 11th, 2019)

Tinkerer
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Sep 10th, 2019 09:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

I was trying to find an "inexpensive" 10 or 12 string humbucking pedal steel pickup, and did find any for the price I was willing to pay to run this experiment. I noticed that alnico 5 pickups in the 16K to 20k ohm range were pretty typical for 10 string pedal steel humbuckers, so here is what I decided to do, I ordered a super cheap set of Alnico 5 fairly low wind strat pickups from Amazon, and two inexpensive 3.5k ohm lipstick pickups also from Amazon. From these 5 pickups ($43 total) I will take the two lipsticks, and the two lowest wind strat pickups and make a 12 string humbucker. It should end up being less than 20k ohms when wired in series.

I will mount the individual coils to an aluminum base plate such that I will end up with a pickup that is @ 5 1/2" long. This will be angled from neck to bridge to get the best string spacing over the pole pieces. The pickups will be positioned side by side and end to end, but I plan to make the base such that each individual pickup can be adjusted up or down. I'm also thinking that I will change the magnet polarity if needed and wire them so that they are humbucking. I may also have so mini toggles to allow me to switch phasing and series/parallel combinations.

And if this ends up being a bust, I'll have some pickups in my parts box!

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Sep 10th, 2019 11:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

Sounds like a really cool project.

Leo Fender did something similar with the Precision Bass: he split the pickup Into two coils, each one covering two strings. They can be wired in parallel or series for humbucking operation.

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Sep 10th, 2019 11:20 PM   Edit   Profile  

Westone made a bass in the 1980s called Quantum "The Rail," which has a sliding pickup. It was a headless design based on Ned Steinberger's concept.

You put the pickup where you like it, and it does offer a wide range of tones.

Great idea, but a bit too non-traditional to gain traction among bassists.

This critter.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 02:51 AM, Sep 11th, 2019)

ejm

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Sep 11th, 2019 07:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

Go over to the steel guitar forum, look through the Ads area.
I'd be surprised if there weren't any pickups for sale.

Steel Guitar Forum (dot) Com

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Sep 12th, 2019 09:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well my cheapo pickups arrived today and the resistance readings for all of them was much higher than advertised, so I'm sending them back.

I will keep looking - thanks EJM for the suggestion about the Steel Guitar Forum!!

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