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FDP Forum / The 'Pup' Tent / Mini Buckers

Bighead
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Aug 11th, 2019 05:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

I really enjoy listening to older Johnny Winters recordings where he gets that tenor saxophone tone using the Gibson Firebird on most of his lead parts.
Would anyone know of a mini bucker in current production that would get close or is it just a go get your own Firebird and go to the wood shed for a few years kind of thang.

Leftee
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Aug 11th, 2019 05:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

Gibson is making nice ones these days. But yeah, get a Fire it’s and go to town.

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Aug 12th, 2019 04:03 AM   Edit   Profile  

This won't answer your question or help in your quest but, I recently installed my first set of mini HB's in one of my builds and I really like them.

Mine are just Wilkinson Alnico 5 (vintage output). Pretty inexpensive but glad I bought them.
For me they're just that bit brighter than full size. Sort of between a full size HB and a single coil. I guess that's what I like about them.

Definitely will be incorporating another pair of mini's into a future build.


Malcolm

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Aug 16th, 2019 08:02 AM   Edit   Profile  

Are the new like the old?

Bighead
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Aug 16th, 2019 04:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have no idea but maybe someone will chime in

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Aug 16th, 2019 05:03 PM   Edit   Profile  

They claim they are. I have no experience, though.

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Aug 16th, 2019 05:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

The last time I tried to explain these differences, it drew quite a rebuke and almost got DOB'd.

You have to decide on how close is close enough for you. Nothing is exactly like the old ones. Gibson as a company isn't interested in exactly cloning the old ones. It would be too expensive. I'm sure the current ones sound fine though and be in the right neighborhood.

If you want the most accurate *vintage* Gibson pickups around, you are probably looking at Throbak/Jon Gundry. He has some of the original winding machines. He has sent off every metal part in these old pickups(p90s and PAF's i believe) to find exactly what alloys were. This is important to the sound.

Yes, they are very expensive. As someone who has ordered chemical and BH curve analysis and a batch of USA made magnets to match old 50s alnico, it is unbelievably expensive. Just for a5 rods in one diameter, almost $5000.00 and over a dollar a magnet.

Bars are 10-20 dollars per piece, same minimums.

Every time you want another grade, a2, a3, a4 etc, or another dimension, that's another minimum.

It gets close to $50,000.00 fast. Then you have the wire and keeper bars, frames etc to order.

He spares no expense in getting as close as possible.

You will have to inquire about mini's or firebirds specifically, though. I bet he does them.


If it were me, I would look for a good cross between budget and perceived quality. Something more middle of the road.

Maybe a Lollar or Fralin. Duncan's can be good, too.

I'm sure many brands make a great sounding mini humbucker.

(This message was last edited by Achase4u at 07:33 PM, Aug 16th, 2019)

Leftee
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Aug 16th, 2019 06:17 PM   Edit   Profile  

No rebuke this time around!

Bighead
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Aug 16th, 2019 07:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks everyone my quest has begun. If I find something I will detail what I find for anyone that may be interested

Leftee
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Aug 16th, 2019 07:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

Keep us posted!

twangdoodles

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Aug 20th, 2019 05:46 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have a Duncan Seymourized in my Tele, a Kent Armstrong on an archtop, and a pair of original Gibsons from the '70s in a Yamaha thinline type guitar.

The gibson set is the worst sounding of the lot. Thin and kinda shrill, though I've yet to try 'em in any other guitar yet.
The Armstrong is fine, warm and not super bright.
The Duncan is a pickup that draws inquiries from other guitarists. It's a wonderful pup, very warm with nice brightness, to me the exact middle ground between a single-coil and a full-sized HB.

I wouldn't hesitate to try some of the other Duncan offerings though I'd also like to know how the Dimarzios sound. Never heard one...

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