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FDP Forum / Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects / Need setup help please!

Randy3521

United States

Randy
Jul 20th, 2019 10:02 AM   Edit   Profile  

Hello, here is a detailed layout of what is going on. Hope someone can assist, I am stumped on this one...

Hardware: Fender 72 Telecaster Deluxe RI. I removed the plate, electronics, bridge saddles and replaced with GraphTech saddles. The plate was replaced with custom plate that has Strat-pickup routing to convert it to a Strat setup. The pups are New-Custom Shop Texas Specials. Pots are CTS/CRL Switch and standard wiring. The only mod I have added is a Trem-Bleed. Tuner used for intonation is a Peterson VS-F.

Problem: After rebuilding this guitar, there is significant irritating vibrato effect from the B, G & D string around the 12th to 18th fret. I've read somewhere that having the pickup height set to high can pull on the strings pulling them out of intonation and personally have witnessed this before. Having witnessed this, I have been able to fix it with pup adjustments. But with this guitar, I've lowered the pups almost flush with the plate and still experience this issue. The intonation has been checked, rechecked and triple checked.

Also Note: I have another 72 Tele Deluxe RI where I did the same thing, but instead of Strat pickup setup, I set it up as a Les Paul configuration. Zero issues with that one...


wrnchbndr

New Jersey

I'm back with the otters again
Jul 20th, 2019 10:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

Ceiling fan running?

Peegoo
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If irritation occurs

discontinue use.
Jul 20th, 2019 10:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

Mark's comment sounds goofy, but it's a valid suggestion!

If you have lowered the pickups and still have the issue, it's something else.

Start simple: try changing the strings.

I have experienced similar issues with guitars that behaved until new strings were installed.

Try a new set--preferably from a different lot than the ones currently on there.

Te 52

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Jul 20th, 2019 10:18 AM   Edit   Profile  

When you say "the plate was replaced," do you mean the pickguard or the bridge plate?

What exactly do you mean by "convert to a Strat setup"?

Does you hear the vibrato effect both amplified and unamplified?

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Jul 20th, 2019 10:35 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have indeed experienced the fan effect.

Randy3521

United States

Randy
Jul 20th, 2019 10:56 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the feedback. Below are my responses to you good folks...

Ceiling Fan: There is no ceiling fan in my music room which is where I do most of my work. Interesting concept, never occurred to me and i find it logical, but not part of the problem in this case.

Strings: I'm on the 2nd set already. I agree with your suggestion which is why I'm already on the 2nd set.

Answer to (Te 52): I mean the pickguard plate. The bridge plate on these 72 Tele Deluxe's are simple hardtail pieces and I did not even remove that. I only replaced the saddles. As far as what I mean by "converting to Strat", you'll need to Google-image search a 72 tele deluxe and you'll see it has 2 oversized humbuckers, 3way toggle and 2T/2V. I pulled all that out and set it up just like a Strat. So why didn't I just buy a Strat? Well because I really like the 72 Tele D;s and wanted one with Strat pups and 5way. When I do mods like this, I always keep the original hardware intact and stored away. Just in case I decide to swap back, or sell/trade.

Te 52

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Jul 20th, 2019 11:22 AM   Edit   Profile  

And the last question: Do you hear the vibrato effect through the amp, or only when unamplified?

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If irritation occurs

discontinue use.
Jul 20th, 2019 11:47 AM   Edit   Profile  

Tie a small towel over the headstock (to damp the strings between the nut and the tuners) and see if the problem still exists.

Te 52

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Jul 22nd, 2019 02:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

Any resolution to this problem???

wrnchbndr

New Jersey

I'm back with the otters again
Jul 23rd, 2019 06:33 AM   Edit   Profile  

???

Randy3521

United States

Randy
Jul 25th, 2019 12:28 AM   Edit   Profile  

Ok guys, here a few updates for you on what has been tried so far.

Tried a 3rd set of GHS Boomers. Went from 10's to 11's - no improvement.

Raised the string height a bit, current above standard requirements, zero fret buzz - no improvement.

Lowered all 3 pickups to near pickguard level - no improvement.

Checked and rechecked bridge saddles (graph-tech) to ensure stability - no improvement.

I plucking the strings in question while pressing down saddles - no improvement.

Inverted middle pickup even though it creates unwanted out of phasing - no improvement.

Inverted bridge pickup even though it creates unwanted out of phasing - no improvement.

Measured the Pickups: Neck 6.2ohm Middle 6.3ohm Bridge 7.1ohm - no issues here

Someone has also suggested wiring issues. The correct gauge and wire type (from Stewmac) is always used during my mods, repair & setups. This is a Strat pickup setup with 5way toggle and only a Volume. I left the 2 Tone pots out.

I might try swapping back to the original saddles this week and if that doesn't work, I'm switching to Fender Noiseless pickups which I have had lots of success with. I am also working with someone from Fender via email on this providing the same updates.

(This message was last edited by Randy3521 at 02:29 AM, Jul 25th, 2019)

Te 52

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Jul 25th, 2019 09:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

What I was getting at earlier, and what Peegoo was also suggesting, is that you might have some sympathetic ringing of the non-speaking lengths of the strings between the nut and the tuning posts. Very common on Telecasters, especially on the G string. This usually is only heard acoustically, not through the amp. Test by damping those lengths of string with a fingertip, rag, whatever.

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united kingdom

Jul 29th, 2019 05:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

Is the pickguard resonating against the body?
Happens on guitars more than you would think.




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(This message was last edited by uncle stack-knob at 07:03 AM, Jul 29th, 2019)

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