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wrnchbndr

New Jersey

I'm back with the otters again
Jul 2nd, 2019 05:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

I can't say that they're all like this but just got a new Supro on the bench. 2030BM Hampton Triple...
Lots of shiny metal. Ads indicate a retail price of $899 for something made in Indonesia. Purchased by my client from Reverb new for $499. The neck has a measured .030" more relief on the treble side than the bass side. Comes with the standard wiggly loose and inferior quality output jack. Neat looking pickups and color. Looking at about four and a bit hours on the bench to get technically correct. Advised client to send it back. First indications are that the seller has paranormal tech skills insisting that I am wrong.

Leftee
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VA

The Escalator
Jul 2nd, 2019 06:32 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the heads up. They made various models lefty, as well. Not that they’ve tempted me. But it’s nice to know that they never should.

littleuch
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Florida

Jul 2nd, 2019 07:14 AM   Edit   Profile  

Sounds like your client has a decision to make.

wrnchbndr

New Jersey

I'm back with the otters again
Jul 2nd, 2019 07:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

It just seems to be a new theme to me. Guitars that look expensive but really aren't built to a quality spec. The factory incorporates the best finishing technology and lots of chrome and trendy/vintage/eclectic hardware while there is little effort given to craftsmanship. Quality assurance focus on cosmetics but not on the things that make a guitar superior.

I also understand that as a tech, I'm only going to see the instruments that have problems.

littleuch
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Florida

Jul 2nd, 2019 09:04 AM   Edit   Profile  

I'd venture a guess that as people have embraced "foreign" guitars, the price gets nudged accordingly as well as QC getting more lax to maximize profit.

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If irritation occurs

contact your physician
Jul 2nd, 2019 09:15 AM   Edit   Profile  

I attribute many fit and finish issues on SE Asia-made guitars to the use of fast-growth wood that are improperly seasoned. The wood hasn't stabilized prior to machining.

It's the primary reason necks twist or bow, or glue lines appear in the body during the first year of a guitar's life.

wrnchbndr

New Jersey

I'm back with the otters again
Jul 2nd, 2019 10:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

It really comes down to the integrity of the manufacturer and the gullibility of the public.

The previous encounter with this issue was a pair of new guitars with the name brand Hallmark on the headstock. Way cool looking guitars if you're a sucker for a pretty face.

As far as I've seen, the PRS SE series is still an okay label.

Te 52

Laws of Physics

strictly enforced
Jul 2nd, 2019 10:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think a lot of it is lack of sophisticated musical instrument knowledge on the part of the manufacturer.

If you show an Asian woodworking factory a guitar, they'll say, "Sure, I can make that." But they really have no idea how dimensionally sensitive a guitar is compared to some other beautifully lacquered and polished hardwood assembly. A few thousandths of an inch can make the difference between a guitar being a dream date or being unplayable.

It's up to the importer to know what's important, to communicate that clearly, and to enforce adherence to specs.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 12:12 PM, Jul 2nd, 2019)

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If irritation occurs

discontinue use.
Jul 2nd, 2019 11:54 AM   Edit   Profile  

"As far as I've seen, the PRS SE series is still an okay label."

The recent PRS SE production at Cor-Tek/Indonesia is very good. Like the WMI/Korea production, the QC is very very good. Giggable guitars right out of the box.

wrnchbndr

New Jersey

I'm back with the otters again
Jul 2nd, 2019 12:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

Agreed. The SEs seem quite good for the money and clearly continue to have the character of their more expensive cousins. The company is retaining its integrity. Not much more than a slight tweek of the nut slots which is totally okay.

littleuch
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Florida

Jul 2nd, 2019 12:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

Not to steer away from the subject but what do you guys think of the Agiles as far as construction? I've owned 3 and thought they were decent, 1 exceptional. But the last attempt to order one of their LP types resulted in a delivery of kindling. I was surprised how the damaged wood looked, as well as the chipped and fragmented finish. Like sawdust from OSB and chips of glass.

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If irritation occurs

discontinue use.
Jul 2nd, 2019 02:14 PM   Edit   Profile  

The early Agiles were astonishingly good. I have two AL2500's and like 'em.

They were so good that Gibson, on their Website, published an article on figured tops; to show the beauty of what AAAA maple can look like. The WebFolks at Gibson thoughtfully included a picture of a particularly beautiful top that they pulled from the Internet.

And it was an Agile AL3100. It took about two days for Gibson to realize this goof and they took it down.

I don't know about quality levels over the last eight or ten years though. Haven't handled any recent ones.

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