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Leftee
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Jun 17th, 2019 06:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

Seeing that ash has an open grain, how would a dude go about this?

I’m asking because I just ordered an ash Tele body. I’d like to get it to a clear gloss finish.

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Planet Peegoo

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Jun 17th, 2019 07:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

Stain does not make a clear gloss finish. You need to stain the wood and then apply a gloss finish.

If you want to do it by hand, you can do it the old way (French polish using a pad and shellac flakes). You can also do it the traditional way gun stocks are finished (boiled linseed oil rubbed in using 400-grit sandpaper). Yet another way is to use a wiping varnish such as Tru Oil or Danish oil.

Leftee
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Jun 17th, 2019 07:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

I stated my question poorly. Stupid right brain. /-:

I know that stain doesn’t create a clear gloss finish. That goes on over it.

Do I need to grain-fill before staining? Or clear shellac after stain but before the final clear coats.

How would I go about doing a stain burst finish on an ash body and then gloss clear over top.

It’s the relatively open-grain nature of ash that my questions revolve around. (-:

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 09:50 PM, Jun 17th, 2019)

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Jun 17th, 2019 07:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

I never fully grasped the issue with ash that requires filling. I presume it is because the grain is open and porous. Would shellac fill that? Isn't there a process where one creates a "slurry" by sanding and finishing with shellac/lacquer, etc.?

There is so much I thought I once understood.

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Leftee
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Jun 17th, 2019 07:52 PM   Edit   Profile  

There is little I understand.

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Jun 17th, 2019 09:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

If you want it to look flat, you must fill the pores somehow. Usually the grain appearing dark to make it pop is what one desires. What color is the stain? That will sort of dictate how dark ypu may want to go. I refinished an old table with dark red mahogany stain. I used black ebony filler so it would show against the stain.

You'll want to fill then wipe/let dry and sand. Seal coat the filler in, then hit with a high solids sanding sealer. 2 to 4 coats. Sand that dead flat and you have your stain color sealed and ready to clear coat as normal. On porous wood, the finish will always eventually sink in enough to be seen to some degree.

Have fun!

Leftee
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Jun 17th, 2019 09:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks!

I might do a clown burst or another blue burst. Dunno...

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Jun 17th, 2019 09:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

I’ve gotten great results on ash by mixing water-based ebony stain with [gasp!] joint compound. You want a toothpaste-like consistency.

I squeegee in onto the wood to force it into the grain, and then sand smooth with 320. I follow that with a few light coats of shellac to lock in the filler, and lightly sand again.

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Jun 17th, 2019 09:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

Fun with wood grain!

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Jun 17th, 2019 10:21 PM   Edit   Profile  

Peegoo's method sounds perfect. You definitely need to get it syrupy like Hershey's chocolate syrup to rub in. I've never used compound but have heard good things.

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Jun 18th, 2019 04:03 AM   Edit   Profile  

Hey Leftee.
The linked pic is my first ash tele that I did last year.

I grain filled with ebony Timber Mate; dried & sanded; coloured with waterbased timber dye; top coated with DIY wipe-on poly.

I'm thinking this is sort of what you have in mind, yeah?

There are a couple of spots where the grain is slightly rustic, but overall I'm pretty happy with it.

2018 Tele Build v2.0

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Planet Peegoo

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Jun 18th, 2019 06:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

Wow

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Leftee
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Jun 18th, 2019 07:56 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yes! But I will probably not use a pickguard and I’m thinking about a burst.

The body I have ordered has amazing grain. I might not want to go with a dark fill. I’m thinking it might be too much.

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Jun 18th, 2019 08:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

Could you use a stainable fill, something lighter that can be darkened to the contrast your looking for. Kind of what Peegoo is talking about.

Leftee
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Jun 18th, 2019 08:34 AM   Edit   Profile  

I don’t know. This project is a first for me. (-:

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Jun 18th, 2019 09:02 AM   Edit   Profile  

The order of events is grain filler, stain, seal coat, top finish (gloss or semi). The problem is that you need to fully address the leveling of the surface without the benefit of seeing the wet reflection. This requires you to be very disciplined during the grain filling. On the instructions for a lot of grain fillers and on-line tutorials, you'll often see advice to grain fill one section at a time. This is good advice. I have yet to try hand-rubbed stain to achieve a sunburst but I have seen it done really well. I'm sticking to my airbrush.

Mick Reid
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Jun 18th, 2019 03:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

"The problem is that you need to fully address the leveling of the surface without the benefit of seeing the wet reflection. This requires you to be very disciplined during the grain filling."

I'll second that!
This is why I ended up with a couple of less than perfect spots.
I *thought* I had it smooth as glass, but... not so much once the clear started going on.

Live & learn...


Leftee
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Jun 18th, 2019 05:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

Great advice! Thanks!

I’m not saying I do great hand-applied bursts. But it keeps out of the bars at night.

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 07:05 PM, Jun 18th, 2019)

Mick Reid
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Jun 18th, 2019 06:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

"But I will probably not use a pickguard and I’m thinking about a burst."

I have co confess, the reason I have a pickguard on there is there is a massive swimming pool route underneath!!!

This body was sooooo heavy, I decided I had to do some weight relief. I lost half a pound as a result. Made a noticeable difference and could "Nashville'd" really easily.

Hell, you could fit 3 P-90's in between the neck and bridge pickups now!


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Planet Peegoo

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Jun 18th, 2019 08:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

Sounds like you should go all the way and do a smuggler body on that a Tele.

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