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FDP Forum / Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects / Neck shaping time. Tadeo Gomez impersonation.

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Achase4u
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May 18th, 2019 02:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

A guy named Peegoo allowed me to adopt a Warmoth modern construction boat carve neck from him a while back as the boat hull was just a bit large even for his puppy paws.

Truthfully, it is a bit large for me, too.

So perusing Stew-Mac - I found their neck shape templates. 1954 Tele. Hmmmmm. Interesting.

So I thought I would shave this thing down and put it on a thin snakehead style tele body I just refinished(well, sometime in the last year).

The boat carve measures 1" to 1" end to end, so it's perfect to shape down to something else. The 54 carve that Stew-Mac sells is about .915" at the first fret, .698" at the 7th and 1" at the 12th. I was going to need more shoulder at the 12th, so I wouldn't be able to make 1" but that is ok. Every neck was different at Fender in those days- sometimes way different. So hand shaping this neck would be the same.

It's a VERY round shape that changes throughout the neck. It was going to be too hard for me to cut because I've never shaped a neck before and this carve on the stewmac template actually changes shape a bit up the neck. Thus I had no straight tangent to sand from 1st to 12th. It would have to go diagonally up the neck with two direction changes if you think length wise.

First, I hit it straight on the slight V spine of the neck on the 80 grit belt sander. Peegoo advised me that the marks from said sanding belt could go as deep as 1/32" - so accounting for that and final sanding, I only took it down to .950 or so at the first fret.

After getting the taper right, I took to the profile. I used a 120 grit on the belt sander and used the side and top of the sander to rough down the spots that needed it. I then used a file at times to blend some areas and hit spots too hard to get at with the belt sander.

Then I went straight to 220 grit on the Porter Cable square hand sander. I was going to blend and remove lots of material at a slow rate with this grit. So far it is very close to the final product and feels like a very nice and very round U/Club shape. I lost too much shoulder at the 7th fret and the 12th fret will have a slight V to it, but overall, I think it is great feeling and probably not too far from something seen coming out of the factory in the 50s.

I used to watch the guys at Callaham hand shaping necks with pull shaves/draws in the hot summer months. That was hard work. They would be soaking wet after a while on those things.

I think I'll touch up the profile a bit more but right now it is ready for paint as it is. This is a great neck carve. I wish the usual places would offer it as an option! Very deep and round.

Pics soon.

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May 18th, 2019 02:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

Groovy!

Achase4u
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May 18th, 2019 02:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

A few pics.

Dropbox of pics.

Leftee
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May 18th, 2019 02:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Neck pron!

Achase4u
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May 18th, 2019 03:52 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yea mang! It's shweeet!

littleuch
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May 18th, 2019 04:14 PM   Edit   Profile  

Excellent! I custom ordered a Strat boat neck with 6105 frets, compound radius, 21 frets, adjust at heel. I was a little overwhelmed by the carve (not the depth, I love 1" baseball bats). Just too "boatish". So I sanded by hand and just took off a bit. It turned out really well, amazing how a little tweak gets it "there". I finished it with shellac and strapped it onto a new Fender Player HSH.



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May 18th, 2019 04:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

Nice work Aaron! That neck was very "clubby".

I've only reshaped a (strat) neck once and did it all by hand. I only took it down about 1+mm from 1st fret to where the shoulder of the heel starts.
That little bit made a big difference.

I used a 2-1/2" length of 3" sch 40 PVC pipe cut lengthwise for a sanding block. The inside radius of the pipe helped minimise getting flat spots.

I think I started with 120 grit and worked down to 400.


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Planet Peegoo

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May 18th, 2019 05:08 PM   Edit   Profile  

NICE work, brother.

Glad that neck will see more action after your modifications!

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May 19th, 2019 07:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

But,...
Can the neck still be weaponized in a zombie apocalypse?

I'm totally freaked at the prelinimary steps to carving necks until I actually start carving and then I get pulled into the zen faster than any other thing.

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Planet Peegoo

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May 19th, 2019 12:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

Shaping a neck or a body certainly is a "zone" thing, like shaping a surfboard. When you're done, it's hard to remember all the details because the mind sort of disconnects from the hands.

Perhaps a better description is the mind *becomes* the hands. It's weird.

Achase4u
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May 19th, 2019 12:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Excellent! I custom ordered a Strat boat neck with 6105 frets, compound radius, 21 frets, adjust at heel. I was a little overwhelmed by the carve (not the depth, I love 1" baseball bats). Just too "boatish". So I sanded by hand and just took off a bit. It turned out really well, amazing how a little tweak gets it "there". I finished it with shellac and strapped it onto a new Fender Player HSH."

The boat is an interesting carve at Warmoth. It's slightly edgy or something to me. Most necks now get minimal hand work off the CNC before finishing. I think in the older days, because you had to shape it all by hand, you just felt it along and kept going. That's why so many hand shaped necks are blended and softer I think.

Glad it turned out!

Achase4u
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May 19th, 2019 12:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Nice work Aaron! That neck was very "clubby".

I've only reshaped a (strat) neck once and did it all by hand. I only took it down about 1+mm from 1st fret to where the shoulder of the heel starts.
That little bit made a big difference.

I used a 2-1/2" length of 3" sch 40 PVC pipe cut lengthwise for a sanding block. The inside radius of the pipe helped minimise getting flat spots.

I think I started with 120 grit and worked down to 400."

Thanks!

1mm can make a BIG difference in neck feel.

400 is very smooth! I usually do to 220 on bodies and necks. If I feel sexy I'll do 320...

Achase4u
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May 19th, 2019 12:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

"NICE work, brother.

Glad that neck will see more action after your modifications!"

Thank you my friend! This has been a great learning experience and the carve turned out better than I could imagine!

Achase4u
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May 19th, 2019 12:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

"But,...
Can the neck still be weaponized in a zombie apocalypse?

I'm totally freaked at the prelinimary steps to carving necks until I actually start carving and then I get pulled into the zen faster than any other thing."

I mean, this is the carve affectionately known as the "baseball bat" shape, so I am guessing yes, it can be weaponized.

You have to get into a flow. The arms and hands keep moving, updating the brain on the shape as it's changing. The eyes guiding the hands. If you dibble dabble, its not a good sign. Gotta concentrate and go for it. Then the Zen happens.

Achase4u
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May 19th, 2019 12:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Shaping a neck or a body certainly is a "zone" thing, like shaping a surfboard. When you're done, it's hard to remember all the details because the mind sort of disconnects from the hands.

Perhaps a better description is the mind *becomes* the hands. It's weird."

Very true.

wrnchbndr
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May 20th, 2019 10:06 AM   Edit   Profile  

I'm doing a lot of octave mandolin and mandola conversions every time I can get my hands on one of those 3/4 or 7/8 size strats. At the nut, the neck gets narrowed by about 1/4". I've done something similar with a pair of baritone necks from Warmoth to make shortscale basses. My primary tool of destruction has always been a belt sander with an 80grit belt. The belt sander doesn't care about frets in the slightest.

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Planet Peegoo

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May 20th, 2019 11:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

That is precisely how Fender did it in the early days. After the frets were pulled into the slots, the ragged edges of the fretwire were belt sanded flush with the neck.

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Planet Peegoo

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May 20th, 2019 12:21 PM   Edit   Profile  

Here's some video of Gomez doing neck work.

Breathtaking!

Gaukdawg

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May 21st, 2019 06:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

Carolyn Jones (Morticia) = very beautiful woman

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May 21st, 2019 07:34 AM   Edit   Profile  

Oh yeah.

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