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hushnel
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May 2nd, 2019 10:35 PM   Edit   Profile  

No doubt a dread has it’s own voice. I do prefer the sound of the parlors and other smaller guitars.

My biggest problem with the dred is the size and thickness of the body, my right arm is about 50% paralyzed and they cause my hand to go numb fairly quickly. The smaller guitar is more comfortable for me to play too.

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May 3rd, 2019 02:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

I’ve got a gloss O-15 Martin that is one of the sweetest guitars ever. It records better than any of my other guitars, and I own an embarrassing number of acoustics.

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May 3rd, 2019 10:00 AM   Edit   Profile  

I get tired of the boominess of Dreads. For me, the Gibson LG-2/LG-3/B-25 size and shape are right in the pocket.

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May 3rd, 2019 10:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

WELP...

There's reason all of my acoustic guitars are dreads...

TONE!!!

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hushnel
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May 3rd, 2019 12:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

“There's reason all of my acoustic guitars are dreads...”

And extremely fine ones at that.

I know the thread title is a rather strong statement, I posted knowing how tone/EQ is very subjective.

I lived with this guy back in collage that had a 60s era D35. One of the best sounding guitars I’ve ever heard. Chances are I’d still lean towards 0-21 or 0-28 Brazilian, I might even choose the Mahogany over the rosewood, just going with what I like to hear, subjectivity “o)

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May 3rd, 2019 09:03 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have a 2015 Martin 00-18V with rare flamed mahogany back and sides. Fine guitar.

My first guitar back in 1961 was a 1939 Martin 00-17. I have been a fan of the smaller bodied guitars since.
I have owned a dozen or so dreads and 12 fret dreads but always seem to come back to the 00s.

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May 3rd, 2019 09:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think when small guitars sound good, it's because of careful attention to materials, design and build; when these are all top notch, the results can be phenomenal and surprise lots of folks.

Many of the older small Martins (and to some extent Gibsons) were built light with great wood. They've had decades to open up and mature, so they sound incredible.

My favorite guitars right now are my two Martin Jumbos (one Rosewood, one Mahogany). They're powerful and toneful.

The one small body guitar that I have some gas for is the 00-17 Authentic 1931. I'm thinking of doing some downsizing so that I can afford to add one of those, and that would probably be my last "good" guitar purchase (at least until retirement, which is 5-7 years off, if not longer).

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May 4th, 2019 07:55 AM   Edit   Profile  

Martin 000-28 EC rosewood and Gibson J-45 mahogany and a Yamaha Y3CR which is a small concert. I suppose my selections betray my preferences.

(This message was last edited by jhawkr at 07:54 AM, May 6th, 2019)

MJB
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May 4th, 2019 02:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

000-15 EC?

jefe46
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May 4th, 2019 06:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

My first Martin was a 1939 00-17. Loved it.. got stolen.

In 2011 I placed a custom order for a 00-17 with grade 4 (highest grade) mahogany. Tortoise binding. Ebony bridge and fingerboard. Ribbons on the sides.
Highest grade tuners, bone nut and saddle. One piece neck. Scalloped braces. Old style logo
Stamp on the back of the head. etc

Expensive.

Sadly it arrived with the neck offset by nearly 1/4 inch and about 8 degrees angled sideways. . They cut a 1/4" off the end of the bridge to make it look as if it was in the center.They centered the bridge, offset the pin holes. What a mess.

The low E was 1/4 inside the edge of the fingerboard at the 12th fret and the high e was at the edge of the board.

It arrived, I did not play it. Returned to Martin.
Did not hear from them and no response to repeated contacts. After 2 months.. they advised me they destroyed the guitar as unrepairable, this without my permission (I owned it) or notification.
Then why did it pass QC and why did they send it out. ?

I contacted the seller (Elderly) who after repeated calls finally sent a refund.

These are facts.

I no longer buy new Martins.

My current 00-18V is flawless and very rare flamed mahogany. Plays well, sounds good.
Proof they can make a good guitar.



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May 4th, 2019 11:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

I disagree with "better" but would agree with "different". Personally, I prefer dreads and always have.

hushnel
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May 5th, 2019 02:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

I would never say a great guitar sounds bad either, to my ears the Dreads sound like the mids are scooped. It’s like some of the frequencies are sacrificed for volume. What we like to hear is certainly not universal. i know it’s popular to scoop the mids with a lot of bass players too.

I also prefer mahogany over rosewood, I waffle between mahogany tops and spruce tops, I like both. The mahogany sounds like the notes are individual and balanced in the chord, the rosewoods sound like a piano the notes are more homogenized and become a balanced chord with lesser note identity, it’s a great sound but I prefer the hog. Just my opinion but I do hear it. I’ve heard some say the hog sounds more honest, probably no the best description.

(This message was last edited by hushnel at 08:30 AM, May 6th, 2019)

jvstratman

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May 5th, 2019 03:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Wow jefe that's crazy!

Could you share some pics? I'm curious to see them.

Thx, jv

jhawkr
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May 6th, 2019 05:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

"000-15 EC?"


Yeah, busted. 000-28EC. Eric Clapton signature. I fixed my errant post.

ejm

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May 6th, 2019 08:49 AM   Edit   Profile  

JMO, but smaller guitars are much easier to play. The body does not get in the way.

In the past few issues of GP there have been interviews with Richard Hoover of Santa Cruz Guitars. They have been dissecting acoustic design, addressing woods, body size, bracing, etc and how it all affects tone.

In one segment he basically infers that big bodied guitars are probably not for most people and they'd be better off with something different, AND if designed properly they'd still have the tonal response they want.

Unless of course the guitar's main purpose is for something besides actually playing it. (It's bigger than she is.)

Guitar? Or stage prop?

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May 6th, 2019 01:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

I went to GC today and played 3 different Yamaha CSF1M parlors. One of them spoke to me and they just happened to have them on sale, cheaper than MF or SW, even after tax. It now resides in center wall hanger above my desk. As much as I like the look of the vintage burst this one is the natural. Thanks for the recommendation Mike.

hushnel
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May 6th, 2019 03:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

Cool, I wasn’t real excited about the vintage burst, when it comes down to it I don’t really care what it looks like. I just set mine down to check the forum and figure out what I’ll put together for dinner.

“Lit out of Reno I was trailed by twenty hounds”
“Didn’t get to sleep that night ‘till the morning came around” “o)

It’s so easy to play it sitting in the Lazy-boy. Most of my other acoustics won’t fit and the headstocks bang into the lamp shade “o) A real hammock guitar.

MJB
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May 6th, 2019 04:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Yeah, busted. 000-28EC."

That's what I figured you meant. :o)

I love my 000-28EC though I played about 6 different ones before I found one that I couldn't hang back up on the wall.

jefe46
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May 7th, 2019 11:04 AM   Edit   Profile  

"I prefer dreads and always have"

So do I, particularly 12 fret dreads..
I have owned
D-18S
D-18S custom
D-18VS Custom..20111... imploded after 2 months.. finally reimbursed after a year .. sent back for repair twice.. lost in the plant.. replacement made.. wrong woods and defective etc etc etc
1969 D-35S... best acoustic guitar I ever owned.
Stupidly sold it to buy a 1961 Ramirez Flamenco made by shop foreman Contreras.

Also bought new 2003 D-18GE... offed after 2 months. twisted neck.
D-16H rare, excellent
SPD 16 with ebony fingerboard and bridge.. bought new.. offed after two months.. bridge flew off.. needed a neck reset. Sent to Elderly for warranty repair and offed.

Gibson Heritage.. my only rosewood dread
1946 Gibson J-45
Gibson WM-45

jefe46
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May 7th, 2019 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

As to photos of my defective custom ordered 00-17..
I might have photos but I will have to check..
they were on my phone and it went into the black hole. My wife may have a file.

Just the other day I threw away the original order sheet from Elderly.

This instrument failure was well documented in a thread inn the UMGF.. as was the failure of my custom D-18VS with solid peghead.. also bought new in 2011. I had to deal with both of these over a period of one year plus.

I had the D-18 in my possession less than 60 days. Martin had it for over 11 months. I had the 00-17 for one day.. Martin had it for months.

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 06:41 PM, May 7th, 2019)

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