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Apr 16th, 2019 05:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

Hello

Last Sunday I went to see the local orchestra. Got there late and missed out on getting a program.

So I am sitting there listening to the the major work in the second half of the concert, not knowing what it was and I hear "cowboy music".
That is, the sound of American folk songs of the west.

I started wondering who could have written it, Copeland perhaps.

This occurred three or four times before curiosity got the better of me and I looked up on Google what they were playing.

It was Dvorak's 9th Symphony, "From the New World".

So what was the aspect of the music that I could identify it as "cowboy music" ?

The performance, by the way, sounded excellent.



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Apr 16th, 2019 07:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've never heard 'cowboy' music in this. But the 4th movement, Allegro con fuoco, is a ripoff of Williams' main theme from his score for the film Jaws :o)

Which portions are you referring to?

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Apr 16th, 2019 08:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

"...But the 4th movement, Allegro con fuoco, is a ripoff of Williams' main theme from his score for the film Jaws :o)..."

John Williams is considered a charlatan and a bit of a joke in the classical music community. Go to YouTube and search for "John Williams steals music" for copious examples.

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Apr 16th, 2019 09:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

I know. That's why I took that jab at him.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 12:31 AM, Apr 17th, 2019)

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Apr 16th, 2019 09:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

John Williams is the Miles Davis of the classical world lol.

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Apr 16th, 2019 10:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

"...I know. That's shy I took that jab at him..."

Yes, I could tell your comment was tongue-in-cheek even without the smiley at the end.

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Apr 16th, 2019 10:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

There are some short phrases or passages up to a minute long in the first and second movements that are "cowdy music" to me.

A distinctly western movie sound if you like.

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Apr 16th, 2019 10:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

Ah...I understand.

Go here (link), Starting at 7:40, there is a certain familiarity about it--like perhaps the score to a John Ford western.

Davorzhak for bugginerz :o)

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Apr 16th, 2019 11:57 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yes that is one of them.

Can you tell what is the distinctive element of that passage that makes me think of western cowboy shows?

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Apr 17th, 2019 02:06 AM   Edit   Profile  

Give this a listen (link).

Most western film themes and scores try to reflect the sweeping, wide-open spaces of the landscape, so they employ musical conventions to lend an epic flavor to the score.

Cadences are very popular here because the rhythmic component implies the galloping of horses. Along with this is the use of syncopation and fifth-heavy chord forms with brass, strings, and often thundering percussion.

Big Country theme. Also check out The Magnificent Seven theme.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 04:58 AM, Apr 17th, 2019)

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Apr 17th, 2019 02:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

Here's some more typical examples

strung together

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Always found it interesting that a lot of the quintessentially American-sounding music in classic Hollywood westerns was actually written by classically-trained European composers such as Dimitri Tiomkin ("Red River", "The Unforgiven", "High Noon") who fled the chaos of Europe between the two world wars.


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Apr 21st, 2019 09:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

I wouldn't be surprised if there were some distant connections. American folk music evolved out of the music settlers brought from home countries. European composers were not shy about borrowing from folk traditions on their home turf for ideas and motifs. Could be some common ground there.

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