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5Strats
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Apr 11th, 2019 05:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

I currently own 4 delay pedals, 2 digital and 2 analog. For slapback delay, my MXR Carbon Copy sounds the best (much better than my Maxon AD999).

What's the best pedal on the market to get that rockabilly echo sound? Also, is analog delay the best for slapback?

ps - I know that Brian Setzer uses old Roland Space Echo units exclusively.


Dolemite

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Apr 11th, 2019 07:06 AM   Edit   Profile  

Hiya Dave - the theory is that tape is best - Echoplex or Roland Space Echo - then analog. Some pedals try to simulate the tape wobble and dirty heads of a tape unit via a high end roll off knob and other lo-fi enhancements.

I went thru a bunch and have held onto a Pharoah Amps Echo Jr. delay. It sounds the most authentic to me for the Scotty Moore thing in a stomp box.

Having said that, once the drummer starts bashing it all kinda goes out the window ; )

(This message was last edited by Dolemite at 09:09 AM, Apr 11th, 2019)

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Apr 11th, 2019 07:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

Any decent delay pedal will do slapback (usually around 300ms). The important thing is the quality of tone you're after.

The Space Echo does that really great warm and 'crispy' sound on the repeats that the Echoplex and Echorec do. Even though it used a tape loop like the originals, it's vastly more reliable. Analog tape has a certain level of degradation in the sound quality of the repeats that allows the dry signal to pop in a mix but still allow the echoes to be clearly heard.

Digital delays can sound too harsh because they can replicate the echo too well. In the natural world, echoes degrade much like they do on tape; the space and the materials in that space absorb and reflect different frequencies differently. Digital replication can be a bit too perfect and that can make the echoes sound artificial. Putting a digital delay through a good reverb does help take that pristine edge off the repeats.

I like the sound of the MXR Carbon Copy. It works well with the amps I use.

Dolemite

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Apr 11th, 2019 07:15 AM   Edit   Profile  

Here’s the real deal, used on all the Elvis/Sun records.

Scotty and the Butts Echosonic amp

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Apr 11th, 2019 07:35 AM   Edit   Profile  

If you didn't know, Ray Butts is the guy that brought the humbucking pickup to the masses, which became known as the Filtertron for the Gretsch company. Chet Atkins wanted a pickup that didn't hum, and Butts took on the challenge.

Gretsch was ahead of Gibson by about a year, but they never applied for a patent. It's why most players think Seth Lover at Gibson came up with the humbucker because of the whole "patent applied for" thing--even though Ray invented it earlier.

Ray had as much influence on guitar technology as Leo Fender did. Like Leo, Ray was happy to tinker at his bench and would rather solder than eat and sleep.

The reason we rarely hear his name that much is a disservice to his legacy.

Ray had an attitude :o)

Dolemite

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Apr 11th, 2019 07:43 AM   Edit   Profile  

🤘🏼

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larryguitar
Apr 11th, 2019 08:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have both the Boss DD7 and the Carbon Copy and they are perfectly fine for government work.

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Apr 11th, 2019 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile  

The whole Chet/Brian/Scotty/Butts thing is generally 125 ms to 135 ms delay time. Particularly with Chet and Scotty Moore it feels like 16th notes. For Setzer, 130ms is what his normal setting on the Space Echo did. At such delay times almost anything will do, it doesn't have to be vintage tone perfect though darker repeats should be preferred. The carbon Copy or Carbon copy Bright would be great choices. For me personally, I have a TC Flashback with my own toneprint based on the Space Echo that at minimum Delay time gives me 130 ms.

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Tone is in the lingers
Apr 11th, 2019 04:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

I use my Carbon Copy but agree that any decent delay should do it if dialed in.

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Apr 11th, 2019 06:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

Have a look at Malekko (Heavy Industries) LoFi Ekko 616 or the standard Ekko 616's.

I have 616 Ekko Mk I that I use as my slap-back delay (I have a CC for my other delay sounds).

Malekko has a number of different analog delays besides the 616.
Some models are out of production but can found used for reasonable money.

I really like mine, but I'm not a rockabilly guy, so YMMV.

Oh, the 616's also have modulation.


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Apr 11th, 2019 07:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

I snagged a Wampler “The Doctor” last year and it has become my favorite delay. It does slap back very well.

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Tone is in the lingers
Apr 11th, 2019 07:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have the Wampler Faux Tape Echo and it's a great delay. I use it for longer delays.

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Apr 11th, 2019 08:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

My favorite for this is my Carl Martin DeLayla XL. I use a Supa-Puss for almost everything, but for slapback and other “light” delays the CM has the edge.

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Apr 12th, 2019 12:59 AM   Edit   Profile  

Setzer uses the Re-301 Chorus Echo.

That was my unit back in the stone age, they're just too blisteringly expensive now.

The preamp is a hair cleaner than the standard 201, but not as hi-fi as the 501.

Cheap seat version is the 150, which has something more like the 301 than the 201 (likely I'm guessing due to parts availability/cost at the time).

Put a CE-2W on CE-1 mode in front of it, and you're there. Yea, you don't get the verb of the 301, but it wasn't anything write home about.

But for generic slapback, you have your bases covered I'd expect.

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Apr 12th, 2019 03:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

FWIW... I had 3 delays. A Carbon Copy, Flashback and a Dunlop Echoplex.

Kept the CC, others were sold on fleabay.

(This message was last edited by Foggy1 at 05:22 AM, Apr 12th, 2019)

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Apr 12th, 2019 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

I haven't tried a ton of delays, mostly studio processing since I record more than anything. But I've had a Memory Man way back in the day, a Keeley modded AD9 and I just couldn't embrace the dirt. I think I'm most satisfied with my only delay pedal, a Carbon Copy. I did tweak the internal modulation pot a bit to tamp it down.

Te 52

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Apr 12th, 2019 09:49 AM   Edit   Profile  

I don't demand much from a delay pedal. Just a Chet Atkins-style single repeat, fairly soft, fairly dark, at about 100 msec. My old Maxon AD-80 does all that just fine.

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Apr 13th, 2019 07:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

The Catalinbread Belle Epoch is such a good echoplex clone Eric Johnson replaced his actual plex with two Belles on his pedal board.

It sounds great but be warned it warms the tone up like a plex so it's not a clean digital sound.

I think the sun records tape machine setup they used created a 117 ms delay for their slapback fwiw.

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Apr 13th, 2019 08:13 AM   Edit   Profile  

I find delay and reverb pedals to be really temperamental in front of the amp. Hairline response and what sounds good clean goes turbo when it's time to dig in. I so much preferred these pedals going through an effects loop when I had an amp equipped with one.

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Apr 13th, 2019 08:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

Some Gretsch sounds here with the Belle

Gretsch Belle Epoch slap yo momma with tone

(This message was last edited by Achase4u at 03:17 PM, Apr 14th, 2019)

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