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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / 2 point trems, back plates with rectangle string opening...

littleuch
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Mar 15th, 2019 10:43 AM   Edit   Profile  

I....think...I think, I kinda like 'em.



Shhhhhh, you may wake my vintage-only alter ego.

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Mar 15th, 2019 12:37 PM   Edit   Profile  

The goofy thing is they often don't line up with the bottom of the block--you have to lean on the bar to get a string fed in.

littleuch
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Mar 15th, 2019 12:43 PM   Edit   Profile  

Peegoo, you mean the vintage 6 hole trem plate? I've experienced that but can't see how that would be an issue with the rectangle opening, unless things were seriously askew. But I duuno, I have but one in my arsenal.

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Mar 15th, 2019 12:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

Some do line up fine,

but most don't.

littleuch
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Mar 15th, 2019 01:03 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well lucky me. I picked up a cheapie tort from Stratosphere, fits well. Cheesy soft plastic that'll scratch if you look at it too long, but no one will ever see it.

Perhaps the crappiest pic evah

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 03:04 PM, Mar 15th, 2019)

littleuch
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Mar 15th, 2019 01:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

As far as the 2 point trem system goes, I believe I had one on a Inca Silver American Standard around 2000, but don't recall much about it. They look odd to me but the feel is real dandy.

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Just beyond Mars

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Mar 15th, 2019 03:18 PM   Edit   Profile  

That looks perfect!

The two-point vibrato works really well and is less prone to creaks and clicks like some six-screw units do.

Keep a teensy drop of light oil on each knife edge extend its lifetime and keep things nice and quiet.

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Mar 15th, 2019 04:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

I dig nitro and v-necks and tweed cases, but I have to admit that two-point trems (and headstock-adjust truss rods, for that matter) are great.

Smooooove action!

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Mar 15th, 2019 04:34 PM   Edit   Profile  

I agree it's goofy, but it does depend on how much "float" you have set.

I prefer setting it for downward pitching only, so the two strats I have set up for vibrato (others are decked/blocked) line up perfectly with the back plate holes.

re: BrentD's comment on headstock adjust truss rods, that's an absolute must for me (unless it's the "wheel" type at the heel). Guess that's one reason I don't own any vintage Fenders.
Well... that and I'm a cheapskate :^)

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 06:41 PM, Mar 15th, 2019)

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Mar 15th, 2019 05:38 PM   Edit   Profile  

Ha, you're not cheap, they're too expensive!

If I'm decking or pulling the trem flat the vintage ones are great. It's the smoothness when floating when the two-point ones feel better. I think the way the anchors are normally set, the two-point trems don't lay flat. You'd have to lower the fulcrum points.

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Mar 15th, 2019 06:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

"... the two-point trems don't lay flat. You'd have to lower the fulcrum points."

Yes, my 2-pt is set so the plate is perfectly parallel to the body and then I shimmed the bottom of the plate.

Of course this is only good for downward pitching as I mentioned earlier.

2 point flat

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Mar 15th, 2019 07:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

Mick, that's a good solution. Do the fulcrum posts screw in any more?

(I'm wondering whether they work like the ones on a LP tailpiece.)

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Mar 17th, 2019 05:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Mick, that's a good solution. Do the fulcrum posts screw in any more?"

Sorry Brent, I missed you post until now...

The short answer is yes.
I reckon there is about 2.5-3mm more depth there.

I stopped at the point the plate was level with the top of the pickguard. Otherwise going lower would start to impact the saddle height adjustment-fretboard-string action continuum.

Okay, I made up that continuum part - but it would have a ripple effect with all the other adjustments.


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Mar 17th, 2019 05:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

That's an added feature of the two-point vibrato: you can raise or lower all the strings together, rather than tweak the saddles.

Another cool thing is you can adjust the two set screws in each saddle so they don't protrude from the top and snag your palm--and then drop the two pivot posts to get the string height where you like it. Can't do that with a vintage style six-screw bridge.

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