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jefe46
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Mar 5th, 2019 06:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

As to rumor mongering.. I am not the originator of the information, don't shoot the messenger.

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 09:38 AM, Mar 7th, 2019)

jefe46
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Mar 5th, 2019 06:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

"It all comes down to profit margin."

You have just characterized companies that are in business for the bottom line. It's a game of numbers.

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 09:40 AM, Mar 7th, 2019)

jhawkr
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It's all gravy from here on...
Mar 6th, 2019 05:28 AM   Edit   Profile  

Generally speaking, if you are a company that is not growing, you're probably dying. If you are Martin and you've saturated your market, where do you go?

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Mar 6th, 2019 05:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

"A horned toad can tell you which way to go. I used to know these things when I was young, but when I got civilized I forgot all these things. I didn’t know which way to go. The horned toad says we should go to Mexico."

-Lone Watie, from the film The Outlaw Josey Wales

Leftee
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Mar 6th, 2019 06:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Kill all the horned toads!

reverend mikey
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You're old. Then vintage. Then good!
Mar 6th, 2019 02:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

Why would someone from customer service share this with someone when there's been no public announcement of it? I would think the employee would be fired for sharing something like this, whether it is true or false.

I'm still callin' this a rumor...

jefe46
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Mar 6th, 2019 02:37 PM   Edit   Profile  

Companies do not "announce" such information in the media.? They announce "good" news.

Keep in mind they are also introducing new models and expanding the Mexican operation.


Time will tell.





(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 09:41 AM, Mar 7th, 2019)

archiestone
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Mar 6th, 2019 02:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

Is there an article/media report/press release you can link here? I am not finding this news anywhere else.

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Mar 6th, 2019 03:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

My 2cents,

IT got me thinking there was an there was an interview with C F Martin IV (reverb or a guitar mag cant remember where) he said they would be building guitars with new and different woods and materials.

But would still build whatever you wanted but in the custom shop.

So its a possibility an OM28 or D28/D35 might become a custom shop only model

jefe46
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Mar 6th, 2019 06:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

The entire "V"intage series is gone replaced with new age "re-imagined" models as well as turning the "standard" into an amalgamation of new age and the standard and the vintage.

I can only suggest you look at their website.
Note that the critical pages of their web site are devoid of information and seemingly under construction.









(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 09:44 AM, Mar 7th, 2019)

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Mar 6th, 2019 07:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

"The entire "V"intage series is gone"

Which is too bad for me. The Martin Mod-V neck is my all-time favorite acoustic guitar neck. The V series had a lot of other nice features.


Martin's current lineup does very little for me.


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Mar 7th, 2019 12:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

Glad I got the two Martins I wanted when I did a few years ago. I'm done buying guitars anyway. I need to sell a few... :o/

reverend mikey
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Mar 7th, 2019 10:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

Website looks fine to me... ???

And Martin announced that they were discontinuing the Vintage series, basically replacing it with the Modern Deluxe series (currently consisting of four instruments: D-28, D-18, OM-28 and 000-28; more will probably be added later/next year/next NAMM).

Martin's Standard Series was all "Reimagined" with 1 3/4" nuts, toner tops, forward shifted bracing (on the dreads), and in many cases, open back tuners (except for the D-35 and M-36).

They've now dropped the "Reimagined" word, since there's no longer any cross-over with the previous Standard Series models.

There are Authentics, and at least one new Authentic was announced at NAMM in January, along with a number of special editions (which Martin seems to do a few of every year).

None of this sounds like a company that is going to stop making guitars in their US/Nazareth facility...

...yes, they DO make a lot of guitars in Mexico now, but that doesn't mean they don't make guitars in the US (15 series, 17 series, Standard Series and up)...

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Mar 7th, 2019 11:39 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Rev. It makes sense. I know the D18 was "reimagined" in 2012 , so it make sense that the others would follow. The wider nut and low profile with the performance artist taper seems to be going on all of the standard series. Martin seems like a solidly run company IMO.

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Mar 7th, 2019 12:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

I bought my D-35 used. I suspect the new models are in part a response to that. Why buy an older model new when a used one that hasn't been abused will have opened up and be cheaper. If you want any of the features the new lineups have you pretty much have to buy a new one.

reverend mikey
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You're old. Then vintage. Then good!
Mar 7th, 2019 11:34 PM   Edit   Profile  

budg,

Yes, D-18 changed in 2012; D-28 in 2017, the rest of the Standard Series in 2018.

The new neck profile is loved by some, vilified by others. I have a 2018 J-40 with the new neck, and a 2018 J-18 custom shop guitar with a 1 3/4" nut but non-artist taper neck (because it's wider at the saddle: 2 5/16" vs, the new 2 5/32"). I get along with both, and think that 2 1/4" - right in the middle - would be perfect! (I have a few guitars with that saddle spacing.)

Gene, you're right - if Martin didn't change things up now and then, why would anyone need to buy a new one? As Chris Martin IV has said, the biggest competition for new Martins are used Martins...so they have to find some ways to "improve" them and then re-market them (and then bring back the lost features a few years later in a "vintage" or "re-issued" model, right? LOL!).

Martin seems pretty healthy right now. What they'll look like when the Boomers are all dead and gone is anyone's guess...

...in the meantime, I'm going to try, buy and play as many different ones as I can...

(This message was last edited by reverend mikey at 01:34 AM, Mar 8th, 2019)

budg
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Mar 8th, 2019 04:15 AM   Edit   Profile  

It took me some getting used to that new neck profile to be honest. I love it now , but all of my previous Martins were the low profile necks on the old standards. I had an older version of the D18 (2008 I think ) and loved the neck , but hated the tone. I eventually sold it because my 93 D1 had better tone to my ears .

But a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do and the search for a proper D18 continued . I almost bought a GE D18 but couldnt really justify the price as the new D18s came out a year later and it had everything I was looking for .

I think Martin like Gibson started to have too many models . The Standard, the Golden Era , The Authentic ,etc.

Bringing their entry level to Mexico seems to be working. They keep their cost down and hopefully many of those will by a MIA Martin someday. When they first came out with the "Road Series " in the 90s , it was the first time Martin really offered a guitar for under a grand. It was a plain jane acoustic with X bracing ,satin finish and without the dovetail joint . It came with a case and went for about 800 bucks. Eventually I was able to afford a nice Martin and has since bought several , but today I have a 2012 D18 that is my number 1.

I think they are a healthy company that are making adjustments in the market to stay in the game .

Who knows maybe eventually I will grab a custom shop piece before I retire. I know that GE Golden Era D18 still haunts me at times . What a killer guitar.

jefe46
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May 3rd, 2019 09:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

"re-imagined D-18" By updating to a 1 3/4 nut..
Most Martins were 1 3/4 nut width prior to 1939.
Nothing new or re-imagined. Marketing BS.

I bought a new D-18 GE in 2003.
30 days later returned to dealer for a twisted neck..Offed it.. not willing to wait several months for a re=do.

reverend mikey
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You're old. Then vintage. Then good!
May 3rd, 2019 09:46 PM   Edit   Profile  

jefe46,

Except that - Martin went to a 1 11/16" nut on most of their steel string guitars way back when and continued to use that neck/nut width through the 40's/50's/60's/70's/80's/90's - well, you get my point...

...so what's your issue with them calling it "reimagined"? They didn't say "never done before"...

And you've shared your bitterness about Martin (and many other companies) numerous times here - we get it. You think they suck. Some of us have had different, more positive experiences.

That's life. Have a good day. (And if you do, please tell us about it!)

jefe46
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May 4th, 2019 06:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

Martin calls one of their new lines "RE-IMAGINED"

In 1939 Martin downsized to 1 11/16ths.

In the 60s Martin used 1 7/8ths on the D-18S and D-35S and D-28 S and I believe the New Yorker. Then they reintroduced the OM with 1 3/4.

Due to public outcry, Martin finally returned to the 1 3/4 nut width on many of their guitars.

Facts are facts. Martin Corp is not infallible.
I did not create the situations where they made several substandard, grossly flawed guitars.
It is not only that they made these guitars, it is how they handed resolving the situation. Un professionally.

I don't believe I have said any particular company "sucks". I simply point out inferior quality , poor service, obscene pricing.

Pre CFM IV I enjoyed many fine guitars and excellent customer service from Martin Corp, not so since his "reluctant" (his words) assumption as the titular head of the company.


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