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FDP Forum / Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects / Somthing very wrong with the 0015 Martin

hushnel
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Jan 3rd, 2019 09:28 AM   Edit   Profile  

A couple of weeks ago I pulled out the oo-15 and the low E and A string sounded dead, I replaced them, still sounded dead. I haven’t tried a new set of strings but my best sounding instrument is in trouble.

It was my first saddle jobs and I’m not going to worry until I cut and level a new one. I didn’t find anything wrong with the bridge, bridge plate or braces. It could still be the strings too, they’ve been sitting around for awhile, but unused.

It does give me the opportunity of purchasing a tool I’ve been looking at for awhile. Durring a discussion of StewMac on the FDP it was recomended to search other sources, so I did and found the tool for half the price. I was going to just make one but I lack machine tools and I want extreme leveling.

Guitar nut and saddle sander

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Jan 3rd, 2019 09:43 AM   Edit   Profile  

Is the guitar properly humidified? That can make strings sound dead.

If you're running a production shop, a special tool like that might make sense because it speeds the process.

I do a lot of guitar work, and I've never needed one. I use a small 8" x 8" granite surface plate with sandpaper taped to it to shape nuts and saddles. It allows work with extreme precision, down to the thousandth of an inch. I found it at a garage sale and it was cheap. New--they're quite expensive.

A cheaper and equally-effective method is a piece of glass. Get it from a glass shop; 1/2" thick and 8" x 8" or a bit larger is good. Back it with a layer of cork or thin rubber to keep it from skidding around on your bench, and use it only for precision sanding.

hushnel
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Jan 3rd, 2019 10:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have ambient humidity and it’s always high, today it’s 94%, the neck is fine, I do find I need to adjust them more often than when we lived in a central air conditioning environment.

I’ve been using a granite reference block, my only concern is that there seemed to be no problem with the saddle previously,

I agree I could have saved the $80.00 but I like tools almost as much as guitars. I know that the two or three nuts and the 4 saddles I’ve cut an profiled in the last month and a half don’t justify the expense. It will expedite the process in the future.

Using my surface sander to level bone, corrian, ivory is such a cool use, I’ll be playing around with different materials. It’ll make blanks vertually ready to install, frivolous justification #2.

I’ve got this huge cow femur. I should be able to get dozens of nuts and saddles out of, frivolous justification #3.

I have more mechanical tuner winders than I need too, but I keep misplacing them “o). I recently ordered a new one because the old one split at the bridge pin puller. I made a bridge pin puller out of deer antler, works well. Horn would probably be better, antler is harder thus more fragile. I’m gonna go check my horn stash.

Yes, I tend towards scatter brained when it comes to making stuff and trouble shooting, maybe not so scattered trouble shooting.

SonicBlue

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Jan 4th, 2019 04:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

I only fettle my own guitars so even by my standards special tools are unjustified. With general DIY and car stuff, if the cost of the tool is less than paying someone else to do the job I'll buy the tool, then I'll have it next time and I can lend it out to a friend in need. It's amazing how many friends you find you have when they know you have that special puller or meter ;-)

hushnel
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Jan 4th, 2019 06:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

Since the early 80s I’ve been snatching up old beat up acoustic guitars and occasionally extremely cheap ones, I’ve helped out friends with guitars, mostly simple set ups and occasionally I build them, even a few acoustic instruments. These orphaned instruments I give away, often to orphans, and kids or young adults that have little opportunity to aquire a guitar. like I did/mentioned a few weeks ago.

Then their is the story of buying the used 000-15s Martin that initially was a dog, in more cases than I would ever expect one of the reoccurring problems is a poorly installed or profiled saddle. My opinion, generally, is after set up, most other problems are the nut and saddle. $80 for a tool that amounts to around an hour on a luthiers bench doesn’t seem all that unreasonable to me. At the price StewMac wanted I wouldn’t never have purchased i,t but this tool is vertually identical.



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Jan 4th, 2019 12:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

That's the beauty of busting a monopoly: prices come down :o)

hushnel
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Feb 15th, 2019 11:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

i woke up today determined to see this problem through, even if I had to find a luthier with more experience.

I put it on the bench, actually an antique wood step stool, kitchen seat/ folding ironing board. Yep A and E still dead, I pulled all the strings off, pulled the bridge it had a nice clean bottom edge, I cleaned up the top angle and tweeked the G string offset. Then thought after finding the E was still dead, “just try new strings one more time” maybe just maybe I can save a lot of effort. I pulled out a set of DR acoustics I had still sealed, strung up the E, it sounded great, put on the A, same not a damn thing wrong with it.

What are the chances that the new E and A strings I tried previously would sound dead like the original dead strings.

You just can’t underestimate the problems strings can cause.

I’m happy the 00-15 is back and ready to sing.

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Feb 15th, 2019 11:28 AM   Edit   Profile  

Strange but true! Glad you got it sorted.

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Feb 15th, 2019 11:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Glad you got this sorted!

I once had three bad sets in a row of Dean Markley acoustic strings. I think the windings on the low E and A strings was too loose and this made the strings sound muted.

Whenever a guitar sounds lifeless, or a string is going 'plink' instead of 'bleeeeeeeng' I always suspect strings and start there.

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Feb 15th, 2019 12:43 PM   Edit   Profile  

Now you mention it the second set I tried was the same make as those on the guitar and purchased at the same time, plus in this old cracker house without climate control, strings may have less shelf life than when I lived in central air and heat.

I’m going to take it to a folkie circle this evening out at Stephen Foster State Park, facilitated by the bands mandolin player, he’s also a Park Ranger and is on the clock when he does this. The little Yamaha Parlor was dround out by all the freaking Drednoughts. A licence should be required to play one of those things.

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Feb 15th, 2019 12:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, I figure if a box of strings are from the same production lot, there's a good chance a problem may affect several sets in a row.

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