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2leftthumbs
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Dec 15th, 2018 11:37 AM   Edit   Profile  

A couple of us decided to attempt to learn Sonar with a collaboration.

It wasn't an easy song to either learn or record but it's one of my favorite Dregs tunes.

I'm playing guitar and he's handling everything else via keyboard/midi.

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gdw3

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Dec 17th, 2018 12:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

Any Dregs is tough. Nice work.

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Dec 17th, 2018 06:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm not familiar with the tune. Wow, that was ambitious, great work. Love the sound of the electric around the 4 min mark. And the harmony gits torward the fade. Cool!

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Dec 18th, 2018 10:44 PM   Edit   Profile  

Nice work as always, Mike.

Glad you're playing...you always sound great.

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Dec 19th, 2018 04:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the input; it was one of the few Dregs tunes that I've found somewhat doable. There's always something in each of their songs that is insurmountable for me - either clean & wicked speed or some chord voicings that I just can't get.



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Dec 19th, 2018 04:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

If you would, tell us about the guitar tracks (what guitar/amp or modeler, etc.)

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Dec 19th, 2018 08:44 PM   Edit   Profile  

"...tell us about the guitar tracks"

Sure - but it's been a while since I did the actual tracks so I'll see what I remember. Being very green to recording, I can tell you that there were more lessons in what 'not' to do as I made every mistake in the book.

I used Guitar Rig 5 (for all guitar tracks) and actually the main guitar track is just the following effects with no specific amp modeler:
- stomp compressor
- Equalizers (Shelving and Parametric)
- Ensemble (for Chorus)
- Twin Delay
- Studio Reverb

In hindsight, I don't have much patience in trying to dial in a good guitar sound. I'm not happy with the main guitar tone used in this tune; I find it a little too artificial and relatively fatiguing to the ears. Listening to Morse's studio version, I wonder if that was simply his Franken-Tele through his Ampeg V4 with a boss CE2 chorus pedal. Either way - I listen to the original guitar track and find the tone amazing along with his flawless performance in articulating certain notes. Steve Morse and Ken Scott were quiet a dynamic pair!

Things I learned:
- I sucked playing to a metronome or click track. The guitar parts had to match up perfectly with the MIDI instruments and I was constantly way off and had to re-record many parts (which helped me gain familiarity with the 'punch' feature of SONAR)
- I sucked with regards to dynamics. The arpeggios which flow through the entire piece require accents on the harmony notes and a more subtle touch for other notes. I think I learned as much about musicality as I did the recording process.
- When punching in clip corrections - DO NOT change any settings ANYWHERE between takes
- Do NOT change your strings before you finish punching in all fixes
- I have 'red light fever'; something which I could play perfectly without a thought is all of a sudden flawed when that 'record' light goes on.
- I have a newfound respect for anyone who successfully records their music. Especially those back in the day considering the technology (not) available.

For the guitar harmony and lead parts I blended a combination of 4 different modelers built into Guitar Rig 5:
- British Ultra
- Cheesy 80's
- Slip Note Wide
- 1993 Hot Solo

I really had no idea what I was doing as far as the modeler; just punching stuff in until it was passable. It's amazing what software is available for the average Joe.

It was a lot of fun amidst the tedium (for a first project), but I'm glad it's done!

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Dec 19th, 2018 11:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

I haven't heard them for years. Well done!

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Dec 21st, 2018 07:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

Pretty epic and elaborate!

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Dec 21st, 2018 11:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

That was extremely well done and a pleasure to listen to.

gdw3

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Dec 21st, 2018 12:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

Poking around like that is how I learn to use most software. And the fact that you were able to glean so much from this one recording will be really valuable for the next one.

I often will screw up the first couple of takes. The trick for me is to learn the keyboard shortcuts on the DAW, so that I can quickly start a new take.

Also, some DAWs have a function that will just continue to record takes between the same in and out points until you stop it. Very handy, because it alleviates all the stopping and starting. You can then composite the takes into a useable one if there are sections of different ones you like.

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Dec 22nd, 2018 01:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

thanks for the kind words.

gdw3 - yep! Nothing like an actual project to glean things you'd never get out of book learnin'!

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