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stratcowboy
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Dec 5th, 2018 05:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

They're already a band..."The Dubious Brothers."

pcalu

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Dec 5th, 2018 05:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

Guys U know if you use the old school wire (i,e, the braided type) and shield your guitar "Properly" It doesn't make one bit of difference if you have Single Coils or not.

A Dirty line outlet... is a dirty line outlet, you will get interference with humbuckers/noiseless or a single coils.

That's not a 60hz hum you are hearing!

Most people associate "Ground loops" with dirty lines.

When you plug your amp in one outlet and your pedal rig in another outlet you cause a ground loop. Wherever you go only use one outlet. employ a plug strip with a circuit breaker. (use the strip for everything)


Secondly... If you like true single coils the Fender Pure Vintage pups are outstanding.

Pups are all about the gauge of wire, the quality of the wire, the number of windings and the length of time potting (if any)

Fender with 70+ of winding pups has several tried and true classic formulas and the Pure Vintage is one of those Formulas. Buy some quality pots, some braided wire a decent 5 way, a quality cap, and those pups will sing with the best of them.

I have some Telecaster PVs in my number #1... I have a drawer filled with boutiques.



(This message was last edited by pcalu at 07:49 PM, Dec 5th, 2018)

Achase4u
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Dec 5th, 2018 06:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Pups are all about the gauge of wire, the quality of the wire, the number of windings and the length of time potting (if any)"

Let's not also forget the magnet formulas/purity and the coil tension. Those make a huge difference.

There are plenty of flavors with different materials out there. Unfortunately you can't know what anyone is using nor can you know if you'll like a pup until you try, but the risk to benefit ratio at $80 is very low IMO.

Achase4u
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Dec 5th, 2018 06:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Guys U know if you use the old school wire (i,e, the braided type) and shield your guitar "Properly" It doesn't make one bit of difference if you have Single Coils or not."

Sure it makes a difference. Just as using balanced lines in a studio makes a difference. Differential signal paths make a difference to noise accrued along said path.

However, as you say, not all hum is 60hz hum.

Using the same outlet IS a good idea to avoid ground loops. However that doesn't deal with other interference as well.

littleuch
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Dec 5th, 2018 07:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've talked about my condo conduit conundrum here before, but what the hell, things are slow.

I'm on an end unit with electrical meters on an external wall just round the corner from my "studio". I believe I got conduit running through the slab right below my room. When I first moved in I was taken aback by the noise of, well, everything I plugged in. Even my Princeton Reverb II, a historically quiet amp that I gigged with for many years back in Michigan made an unpleasant noise sitting idle with nothing plugged in. I systematically started flipping breakers to try and find a trouble maker. When it came down to me walking through the condo with a guitar/Vox Mini Plug and headphones AND the mains shut down and STILL buzzing, I knew I had a beast.

I retooled to Lawrence/Wilde Noisefree pickups. It helped significantly, but not totally. Humbuckers and Noisefree's are recordable but require some wizardry in real high gain situations. My Fralin Real 54's in my favorite guitar are serviceable in positions 2 and 4.

This particular build is a whim. I reckon I'll track something with it clean, sitting in that tight comfort zone where the buzz is at it's quietest.

Glad to hear the Pure Vintage getting some thumbs up. It's been years since I've tried some Fender pickups in a Strat. I had a set of 50's before that were really good, plus a set of Nocasters in a Tele that I thought were outstanding.

I think I got 500k pots in this guitar right now, but a drawer full of 250k CTS pots going back to the 80's, lol.

Achase4u
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Dec 5th, 2018 07:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

The Lawrence Wilde pickups always sounded great to me in videos and clips.

littleuch
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Dec 8th, 2018 11:37 AM   Edit   Profile  

Received them today. Interesting, no designation for neck/middle/bridge, all have same length leads. On my meter they come out 5.86k, 5.91k, 5.95k. Waiting on some copper shielding and a new trem block before installing.

Achase4u
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Dec 8th, 2018 03:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

Just like back then. No pickup was position specific in those days.

Leftee
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Dec 8th, 2018 03:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

What’s the stagger like?

littleuch
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It's gravity...just gravity
Dec 8th, 2018 04:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

Ry cheer

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Leftee
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Dec 8th, 2018 04:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks!

littleuch
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Dec 8th, 2018 05:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

It's been so long since I've last installed a set of non-Noisefree pups I done forgot....one Callaham baseplate for bridge pickup on order.

Achase4u
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Dec 8th, 2018 10:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

Man. I really wish they would bevel like the old pickups. No need anymore I guess. Just looks better to me.

Mick Reid
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Dec 8th, 2018 11:21 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Man. I really wish they would bevel like the old pickups. No need anymore I guess. Just looks better to me."

Aaron,
I agree it looks more "finished" with the bevelled poles, but as far as "No need anymore..." was there ever a technical reason for doing this, or was is just a pride of workmanship thing? (which seems to have gone the way of the Dodo also)

Just curious.


Achase4u
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Dec 9th, 2018 12:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

The story goes, the magnets way back when were more often chipped up (alnico does not machine well) from cutting to length etc. So when Leo saw them, he didn't want those ugly chips showing on his guitars so he beveled them. I also suspect, from looking at vintage pickups and Leo's notes, that he always ordered .187" diameter magnets though we can see he received .193-.197" much of the time. Since the flatwork was cut from dies, you can't throw out those $1000s in die investments for new ones just because the holes are a bit small. So, the bevel aided in the magnets pushing through the flatwork without extruding too much material. Those holes are far too tight on some of those old pickups, evidenced by the donut rings around the magnets on the tops of old flat pole Tele pickups among others.

littleuch
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Dec 9th, 2018 06:44 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, those are some ugly poles (just like me, hah), aren't they? I took note comparing them to my Fralin's. So I was reading that the bevel actually makes a sonic difference in the way that the magnetic field radiates (paraphrased). At least according to someone on another board. Thoughts?

Achase4u
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Dec 9th, 2018 12:20 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well, on an actual analysis that shows the magnetic field spread, yes it changes it. Whether it's big enough to hear a difference, I don't know. My feeling is probably not much if at all. Never really bothered to test.

littleuch
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Dec 17th, 2018 10:25 AM   Edit   Profile  

Overall I'm very pleased with these pickups. The accompanying screws are beveled so I used others to mount in my current pickguard. The bridge pickup baseplate mounted with ease (Callaham, $10, used RTV sealer instead of wax). The neck pickup would not thread as the holes appeared to be drilled too small. Instead of boring them out I found a pair in my parts drawer that worked perfectly.

These pickups sound like the real deal to me. Clean, articulate with a wee bit more top end sparkle than my Fralin Real 54's (Alnico 5 vs 3). The neck pickup is particularly sweet. I think the random leftover treble bleed I installed is cooked and doesn't seem to be functioning. I am debating whether to replace it or go without. The bridge pickup as well the others darkens up in a nice way around 6.

Despite the neck pickup screw hole thing and unattractive non-beveled poles I'm satisfied with these pickups, especially for the price.

Mick Reid
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Dec 17th, 2018 03:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

Good result littleuch!

And thanks for that historical info Aaron. I only read it today, as I forgot I had posed the question 9 days ago 8^)


Achase4u
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Dec 17th, 2018 06:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

I love pickup history and getting into the nittiest of the gritty when it comes to them.

I have also found that they must have used a two stage die set for flatwork. One to cut the perimeter overall, and the other the holes. This is evidenced by the fact that the holes, while almost always perfectly in dimension to one another, are sometimes askew in any number of directions in relationship to the outer perimeter. I will have to dig up a pic of a late 60s Tele bridge pickup that came through. They were so far off and tilted it was remarkable. A real bad one!

Not to derail!

Enjoy the pickups, Larry.

I encourage everyone to check out the pickup handbook and accompanying CD. It highlights differences in sound of vintage and new production pickups.

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