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mojodelic

I love guitars

and things that fly
Dec 1st, 2018 03:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Twin Reverb"

*like*

...or a Plexi Stack...

A lot of guys that have the same floor processor (Helix) as me go direct & that's an option but not for me.

Peegoo
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Do not try this at home.
Dec 1st, 2018 04:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

"I guess my main question could be how can I chamber a secret weapon that I could pull out when this happens?"

It should be a discussion at band practice. It primes the pump, rather that having to do it at a gig. Get everyone to recognize that volume creep is a real problem, and every little increase one player makes leads the others to increase too. It spins out of control really fast. It can make musicians hate each other (I've been there too) because it makes playing really un-fun. Offer to prove your point by passing out some ear plugs (Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace PPE departments) and asking everyone to try them during band practice. If you sing, they are a HUGE help because they serve as a monitor to help you stay on pitch. It's why you sometimes see vocalists cover an ear when going for that high note.

Being a good player goes beyond chops and creativity. It also includes the maturity necessary to recognize you're part of a group.
You have to consider everyone else in the group, and how anything you do affects everyone else. Don't be selfish!

We run jams in the area and the rules are agreed upon by all players ahead of time. For example, if the jam commander asks you to turn your volume down, it's so everyone can continue having a fun time. If you keep turning up, you are asked to leave.

You really don't have to play that loudly for the audience or the dance floor to have a fun time. 99% of bands play too loudly anyway. When's the last time you heard someone complain about a rock band that played too quietly?

It is really goofy. Just because an amp goes to 10 doesn't mean it has to be dialed up that high. "Hey, the speed limit is 55, but my car can go 140 so that's how I drive it." That's some pretty moronic logic =o)

mojodelic

I love guitars

and things that fly
Dec 2nd, 2018 08:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Peegoo, as always you're advice is spot on.

Gaukdawg

Ohio

Say what one more time!
Dec 2nd, 2018 09:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

IEM's took care of that issue for us. But everyone needs to invest in good earbuds. And it helps if everyone has their own monitor mix. With these digital mixers there are usually enough aux outs to cover the band and everyone gets to hear themselves. But with this you also need to get everything mic'd properly. And we do use electronic drums. I also have one bud out most of the time so I can hear the audience and also communicate easily with other band members and it helps with feeling the dynamics on stage.

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

Insert clever comment here
Dec 3rd, 2018 01:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

Agree with Peegoo. Address it at a meeting or practice without pointing fingers, so that when it's happening, you all already know to expect it and what to do about it. In-ears would make a big difference, I think. Also, try practicing at low levels, too. Practice how you intend to play.

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Joisey

Dec 4th, 2018 06:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

Guitar players are not gonna like what I say but it works....put the amps in front of them pointed at them....

I ill wait for the cussing to end...

I mike all the amps (except bass) and the FOH gets everything. No one is in the beam but the player. We mix it well and everyone gets a monitor and their amp so they get a little extra them in their face. I only use a monitor and yes my guitar, keys and sax go to the board (we have a 12 channel) so I can tell if someone is too loud in the FOH mix so I reach over and adjust. The FOH is a single slider that can be adjusted per the managers taste

This also means people can dance in front of the band without getting beamed.

So flame me, blame me and shame me
But this works

Its just hard for people to accept. They crank it up to 11 and them move away from their amp. if they cant hear then it goes to 12.

Try it. And let me know how it works for you

zenland

U.S.A. Hotlanta

avise la fin
Dec 7th, 2018 03:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well I stand up next to some volume creep!

And I Chop It Down With The Edge Of My Hand!

; )



I'm sure you all can get this worked out in a professional manner. It's easy to see the dedication/talent and hard work put into making this fly! Y'all have one helluva band!

Fly On!



mojodelic

I love guitars

and things that fly
Dec 8th, 2018 05:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Gman, & Zen. One thing that sort of throws a monkey wrench in the worx- Zenland can affirm this, I'm always told that I'm not loud enough!

I guess I resolved myself that I'd never be that guitarist, and always keep 'em begging for more.

That said, I still start out low but then have to turn up to keep up. I'll try bringing it up at the next rehearsal, & as you so nicely said, this is a great band that I want to stay with so we'll see how it goes...

zenland

U.S.A. Hotlanta

avise la fin
Dec 8th, 2018 06:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

mojo-Affirmative!
; )

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Dec 9th, 2018 05:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

mojo- A Marshall would cut right through the mix! Just sayin'! ;)

stinger22

USA

Dec 25th, 2018 06:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Guitar players are not gonna like what I say but it works....put the amps in front of them pointed at them...."

Doobie Brothers did this.........

Gaukdawg

Ohio

Say what one more time!
Dec 28th, 2018 12:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

I read this again and for some reason in my mind I read it, "how do you handle volume? Creep"

...... I use a volume pedal and don't call me a creep! :-)

Deacon Blues

wax on...

wax off...
Jan 1st, 2019 10:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

Jeez guys! This is simple. Everybody just needs to turn up to eleven.

6 Cylinder Slim

north woods

It just needs more voltage
Jan 13th, 2019 07:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

True, drummers do set the stage volume, but there's lots of other factors that come into play. Room acoustics for one. Just the noise from a crowd of people in a bright room can cause your sound check from an empty room go out the window. I remember having to wear my earplugs during setup because the people were so loud. Then there's rooms with a house system where the soundman goes nuts with the 8 zillion watt sub woofers. Generally, I keep my PR tipped back, pointed at my head and stay at sound check volume, but there are just some shows where I'm going to just have to buck up and look like I'm having a blast even though everything sounds like crap.

acplayer

MA

Earn while you learn
Jan 13th, 2019 02:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

""Being a good player goes beyond chops and creativity. It also includes the maturity necessary to recognize you're part of a group.
You have to consider everyone else in the group, and how anything you do affects everyone else. Don't be selfish!....""

A good/great player is just that.... A good/great "musician" is someone that is a good/great player - "who knows his place in the band/mix".

There are many good/great players out there...and way fewer musicians...

At a club gig, as the evening progresses there actually should be a bit of volume creep - sort of the band "breathing". This is a WHOLE BAND creep.

The issue happens when one instrumental player decides that what he/she is doing is more important the the rest of the band...usually there is some beer involved or a "significant other" in the audience that "can't hear her man"...

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idiot - I have several pieces missing!
Jan 14th, 2019 06:19 AM   Edit   Profile  

1) Nobody drinks until after the show.
2) Have a friend with good ears signal you from the house, and follow those signals.

davywhizz
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Feb 23rd, 2019 02:43 AM   Edit   Profile  

Old joke: "How do you get a guitarist to turn down?". "Give him the music".

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Mar 6th, 2019 01:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

I used to embrace volume creep.

Later in the evening when the crowd was dwindling and nobody cared, I'd consider the $35 we were each getting and realize that putting my tube amp in the 'happy zone' was the real compensation.

signed,
Tinnitus Ted

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GospelBilly!
Mar 7th, 2019 02:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

The volume creeper in our band is the bass player. When I complain she just says "rock is supposed to be loud."

It's her and her husband's (lead singer) band so I guess they can refuse to listen to me.

And I'm the only player using hearing protection!

Juice Nichols
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I'm just a dude, playing a dude...
Mar 8th, 2019 08:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Old joke: "How do you get a guitarist to turn down?". "Give him the music"."

I thought that was how you get a guitarist to stop playing?


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