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Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 23rd, 2018 02:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

...Phil Jones stuff, for example.

Anyone have experience with them? I'm looking to add punch.

Have a Boss Micro Bass RX cube (4X4") that does just that at low volume.

Talk to me...

Cal-Woody

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Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Nov 23rd, 2018 04:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

Are they all active or are some of them acting as passive radiators? I have some speaker cabinets that use a speaker as an radiator to allow for a smaller cabinet to handle the bass frequencies and allow for higher volume. Just a thought.....

Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 23rd, 2018 04:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

As far as I know, everything in his cabs makes noise (if I'm understanding your question).



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Nov 23rd, 2018 09:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm pretty sure the PJ stuff is all about the cabinet design--not so much the teensy speakers. His small amps have major thump.

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Nov 24th, 2018 02:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

Used to be a fan of 18s, now I use 8s!!!

Phil recently changed his mind/driver size! must be something new in cab designs!

digiboy

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Nov 25th, 2018 10:13 AM   Edit   Profile  

The Markbass 801 is pretty amazing. I found a used one at a decent price.I would never have believed a single 8 could push out so much genuine low end. Can't project like a bigger speaker but you really have to hear it if you have the chance.

My only complaint is I would have preferred simple bass and treble tone controls. Instead it has a single adjustable contour filter which works OK.

Tony Wright
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Nov 25th, 2018 10:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

I seem to recall several positive comments about the Roland Micro Cube Bass RX amp that can run on batteries (six AA) or standard 110vac with four 4 inch speakers. Seems to me that is "multiple tiny speakers for bass..."

Taildragger
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Nov 26th, 2018 09:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

Tony, see opening post: practicing through the Roland Micro Bass RX is what got me thinking in this direction.

I'm thinking maybe an extension cab to run off my Carvin MB10, which is only 250 watts (as opposed to the 5-watt Roland) but that's all the power I need at this time.

Tony Wright
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Nov 27th, 2018 06:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

Duh....

Peegoo
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Results not typical.

Do not try this at home.
Nov 27th, 2018 07:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

The idea behind tiny woofers is reduced moving mass for faster cone transition. It makes for super-articulate, punchy tone, without the flabbiness or blurriness of a larger cone.

Because they're smaller, they move less air--which means if you want to move air, you need a bunch of them in a large cabinet (see link for speaker comparisons).

You cannot get real thump in a room from a small cab. But if you're recording, you can get massive thump on tape from a small mic'd cab.

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Taildragger
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Nov 27th, 2018 10:37 AM   Edit   Profile  

A bit off original topic...

...yet certainly related:

rwb

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Nov 27th, 2018 10:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm not sure at what point we call it "thump" but my combined 2x10 (ported) and single 12 (infinite baffle) Quilter cabinets certainly push air and sound great without PA support beyond most usual size rooms. I consider them "small" because they only weigh 30 lbs each and are very easy to carry.

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Nov 28th, 2018 07:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

I like Peegoo's chart for a reference. It does not take piston area into consideration though so results will not be definitive.

Where it is relevant though is that when many drivers are close enough on the same baffle, they act as a single unit. Maybe that is why the 8x10 fridge sounds so good.

Taildragger
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Nov 28th, 2018 11:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Maybe that is why the 8x10 fridge sounds so good."

My favorite "amp emulation" setting on the Microcube RX is the "Concert 810" one, which is what kinda bump-started this current quest. I'm looking for something similar but with more power and refinement. The Microcube emulation is fine, as far as it goes, but it would be unreasonable to expect a tiny 5W-er to produce what I'm seeking.

I'm leaning toward the PJ Cab47.

I don't speak this dude's lingo neither, but this demo will give you...

...some idea:

Peegoo
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Results not typical.

Do not try this at home.
Dec 1st, 2018 02:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

Dave Reaume has a vid posted where he calls for service on his PJB briefcase bass amp that's farting out. He's getting a bit of a runaround. The company may have moved from sales and service to sales only. At least that's how it appears to me.

This might be a good reason to avoid PJB stuff.

Many electronics these days--it's cheaper to throw the broken one away and buy a new one, and that is what most manufacturers want. Handling out-of-warranty service items is a drain on resources.

Some blue language here (NSFkids), but pretty informative.

Taildragger
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Dec 1st, 2018 03:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks, Peegoo.

I've been a big fan of his VIDs for awhile. Since that was posted quite recently, I think I'll postpone any purchases from them at least til Dave posts a follow-up (hopefully detailing a favorable outcome/resolution).

Since starting this thread, I've noticed that PJB production is in China. Maybe the circuit boards are fastened together with Arrow pop rivets. If so, they shouldn't be very hard to disassemble for service...

;-)

To be fair: I've heard a lot of people rave about PJB customer service in the past but, as they say: "things sometimes change". I will proceed with caution pending further info.

(This message was last edited by Taildragger at 06:16 PM, Dec 1st, 2018)

Taildragger
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Dec 2nd, 2018 03:11 PM   Edit   Profile  

Anybody here ever try the Warwick WCA 408 (4X8"). Are these still made in Germany, or have they also farmed out production to China?

Taildragger
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Dec 4th, 2018 02:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well, Dave's scathing YouTube indictment of PJB customer service has been taken down, so I guess they've either threatened to sue him or offered him a replacement amp. Or maybe PJB got snarky with YouTube....who knows?

Will be interested to see if, down the road, he comments any further as to what transpired.

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Solid state = solid sound+light weight
Dec 6th, 2018 01:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

I really like my TC Electronic BG250-208. Handles everything I'm doing right now.

Went looking for a 2X8 extension cab to move a little more air and got a real surprise! Extension cabs available these days cost more than the combo amp does new!

Being a real Scrooge at heart I found me a good deal on a used TC and now have two of the same amp that I can stack or run in stereo!!

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Dec 6th, 2018 04:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

I wonder, Does all this inevitable advancement in speaker/amplifier design favour the manufacturers
or the users?

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