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acplayer

MA

Earn while you learn
Nov 17th, 2018 05:50 AM   Edit   Profile  

In September I responded to an ad on Craigslist for a local band looking for horn players.
Long story short: I auditioned successfully for the group.

It seems that the band (a group of friends)started last January and did "one" gig in early August. I checked out a video of the gig and they were pretty good..
They are all quite younger than me...mostly 25-30 years younger...I'm 59 btw.

We've been rehearsing weekly and I feel that they are ready to gig...but all they seem to want to do is rehearse...? I keep hearing: "We gotta get four sets down before we gig...". Most bands in our area play three sets....which I have told them.

I recently got a group chat message from the guitarist saying that he was approached by a club owner (he also plays in a duo) that is looking for bands to start a Friday night rotation in January.

I responded: grab/lock in the date "now" (so we have a goal to practice toward..). The band leader chimed in saying that he was not sure that we would be ready.....

We have rehearsal (followed by a band-meeting) on Monday.
Gigs are tough to come by these days...this one is very local (10 minute drive for everyone) and at a place that wants to start having bands. Get in early I say.

At my age I do not want to rehearse six months for one gig....

The guys in the band are passionate and most play well, although they have very little gig experience. (I have actually had the tenor sax player over my studio to go over some fingering issues...I gave him a lesson....he's a nice kid..)

The horn section is tight (trumpet/tenor sax/baritone sax[me]). There is an alto sax player that now wants to audition for the group...the bandleader is all for it... If that kid gets (we do not need a 4th horn) in there will be another excuse for a pile of rehearsals before we're "ready".

I feel like the band's "dad" (which I am old enough to be).

Do you get the feeling that I'm starting to get frustrated???

If this January opportunity is missed I will probably move on.....




Peegoo
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By eight feets
Nov 17th, 2018 08:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Gig experience counts: you've been there, so you know.

Ask your band pals the following question: "how does a band know when they're ready to play a gig?"

The correct answer is, "they don't."

It's like being newlyweds and asking yourselves when you'll be ready to become parents. If couples wait until the stars align, they will die childless. Most couples become parents by surprise, and things usually work out okay.

One gig is a better teaching tool than 20 practice sessions. Get 'em out and play some gigs. If they're dragging their feet, move on.

Music is supposed to be fun. If you have to pull teeth, you'd be happier being a dentist because you'll get paid for it.

Good luck!

SecondHoneymoon
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Nov 17th, 2018 10:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

"One gig is a better teaching tool than 20 practice sessions."

This is exactly what I've said for years. No substitute for playing in front of an audience. If your guys aren't ready by now they never will be. Book a gig and force them to jump in. I'm guessing things will go better than they imagined, and problems will reveal themselves, and you can figure out how to fix them.

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Nov 17th, 2018 12:14 PM   Edit   Profile  

Definitely definitely definitely do the gig :-)

Ayns
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England's Sloppiest Guitarist
Nov 17th, 2018 12:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

The last band I joined, I had two weeks to learn two 45 minute sets ;-)

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By eight feets
Nov 17th, 2018 01:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Nothing like a little pressure to get you focused!

acplayer

MA

Earn while you learn
Nov 17th, 2018 03:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

My original post was made "before" my morning coffee"- a pre-coffee rant - lol.

What I have decided to do is let things fall as they may... I am not the band leader (I do a load of contracting/booking my classical ensemble...I do not want to be "in charge". I just want to play.) so I'll let the "powers at be" make the decision
however
if the band doesn't move on its chance to gig in January I will tell them that I need a break from rehearsals and to call me when they have a gig (or gigs) scheduled. I will then come to a couple of rehearsals prior to those dates.
The horn parts are fairly-well charted out so just read'em down. Eazy-peazy...



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Bottom Sucker
Nov 18th, 2018 05:17 PM   Edit   Profile  

I soooooooooooooooo wish this forum had a "like" button!

Peegoo
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Four feets

By eight feets
Nov 18th, 2018 05:37 PM   Edit   Profile  

It does. Buy a star once a year!

acplayer

MA

Earn while you learn
Apr 8th, 2019 06:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

Well........
The band actually has a gig booked in early May so I went to a rehearsal two weeks ago. I'm going again tonight..

The chick singer sounds good and also plays keyboard (she has a college degree in music vocal performance and knows harmony). She's a quick learn.

I wrote some horn parts for "Don't Speak" by No Doubt. The drummer aka: leader, has been writing the horn parts...mostly footballs (whole notes and half notes). After we blew through the tune the gal singer wants me to rewrite the parts for the rest of the songs...me: ehhhhh....

Some of the tunes that the band plays do not lend themselves to horns (they just sound weird if you ask me...). ?Horn parts on: Sweet Child of Mine" by Guns and Roses..? Maybe I'm too old...?

Oh well, we've got a gig in early May. It's playing two sets for a local cause's dinner benefit....No pay - which I am fine with.

Being the old-man-in-the-band-former-musicians-union-board-member, the leader of the band has been very apologetic that we are not getting paid.

I am ok with doing a gig gratis (to get some pics/video) for a local benefit.

Oh well...the saga continues...


(This message was last edited by acplayer at 08:42 AM, Apr 8th, 2019)

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Just beyond Mars

there's a world of fools
Apr 8th, 2019 07:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

I was wondering how the band was working out. I figured you had jumped ship.

"Oh well, we've got a gig in early May. It's playing two sets for a local cause's dinner benefit....No pay - which I am fine with."

Benefit/freebie shows are great to play--especially with a new band with no name out there, because these events are attended by local business owners and other 'pillars of the community'. It means you will probably get two or three paid bookings from this gig.

Get 100 band business cards printed up and make sure every band member (not just the leader) has a few. If someone asks the bass player for a card and he says "go ask the drummer," the drummer might not get asked, and that is a lost opportunity.

Break a leg, brother!

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I'm just a dude, playing a dude...
Apr 8th, 2019 07:51 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Horn parts on: Sweet Child of Mine" by Guns and Roses..? Maybe I'm too old...?"

Yeah, maybe I'm wrong, but I think that would sound a little odd too. It also sounds like maybe they want to be something they're not. If you want to play straight ahead rock, there's not a lot of need for a horn section.

acplayer

MA

Earn while you learn
Apr 8th, 2019 01:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

The tunes are a bit "all over the place"; "Sweet Child of Mine" Gun's and Roses, "Don't Speak" No Doubt, "Margaritaville" Jimmy Buffet, "Money" Pink Floyd (btw; Do people really dance in 7/4??) "That's the Way It Is" Hornsby,"Smooth" Santanna, "Get Lucky" Daft Punk,
plus a bunch of others....

It's almost like the core members of the group brought in the favorite songs that they listen to...whether they are for dancing or not...

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Apr 8th, 2019 01:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

"(btw; Do people really dance in 7/4??)"

LOL! I've seen people that looked like they were trying to dance in 7/4.

I agree with you. It's like all the members brought in their favorite tunes and put the set list together regardless of genre and instrumentation. Some of the songs you listed would be good. "Don't Speak" and "Smooth" should be great material for a horn section. The rest not so much.

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Just beyond Mars

there's a world of fools
Apr 8th, 2019 02:43 PM   Edit   Profile  

Some Motown and STAX stuff would be great for your band.

Mick Reid
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American-made in Oz!!
Apr 10th, 2019 04:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

""Horn parts on: Sweet Child of Mine" by Guns and Roses..?"

I'm hearing you rip into that "Baker Street" riff behind that!

*That* would be hilarious!!!


acplayer

MA

Earn while you learn
May 13th, 2019 05:49 AM   Edit   Profile  

Well, the band had it's first gig this past Friday. It was a benefit for a local Portuguese band club.

A sold-out (275 attendees) affair. The crowd was mostly older (stayed for dinner and our first set, then left) leaving about 100 people that kept dancing.

The food was good, people were friendly, and the band was loud.

My wife (and resident critic) attended. She felt that the band was pretty good, however, the songs were a mash of contrasting styles, some were dance tunes while others were listening tunes.
(I don't dance so they're all listening tunes to me - lol.)

It was a successful night for the band. We were told that the band club wants us back for there outdoor summer festival.....

The band has another gig (back yard party) lined up for the 2nd weekend in June but I already have a double wedding that day with my ensemble.

This week I'll suggest that they look for another bari player for that one (rather than wait for me get there....I can't make it until 8:00pm). I know someone that's itching to play...

Hmmmmm....starting my "escape plan".......??

(This message was last edited by acplayer at 07:50 AM, May 13th, 2019)

acplayer

MA

Earn while you learn
May 16th, 2019 06:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

First show follow-up continued:
The gig took place in a hall and we followed a Portuguese concert band's performance (thus the guys in military-style uniforms milling about).

Ok, someone made a video of our first set.... If you are really bored:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwecRD59Kys

This was the first tune of the first gig... The lighting was bad, the monitors were "spartan" to say the least, and I had trouble hearing myself, thus I had issues playing in tune (very frustrating).
(At around 2:50 of the video I have a brief solo on bari sax.)

Since the show, the band has had a couple of offers to play over the summer... We'll see where this goes..

It was actually interesting for me to watch the video as I wasn't sure how the gal singer would "sell it".

She did ok IMO.

The attendees were v-e-r-y ethnic. While we were playing our first song, most of them looked a bit puzzled (lol), but after a while the older folks left and the younger ones stayed and danced.








Gaukdawg

Ohio

Say what one more time!
May 16th, 2019 01:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think you all did great. Singer was good, you could hear everything from where the person was recording, decent mix. Harmonies were good. My only thought would be doing a more familiar song to start the night out with. That was a great song but IMO is a song that keeps people on the dance floor once they are already there rather than getting them on the floor to start out. Your solo was good but could have been a touch louder. Good band, good performance.

(This message was last edited by Gaukdawg at 03:30 PM, May 16th, 2019)

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May 21st, 2019 08:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

Fun tune. Band sounds tight. Solo was great!

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