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Nov 13th, 2018 03:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

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Nov 26th, 2018 03:11 PM   Edit   Profile  

Just ordered a QSC CP12 today and got a 15% discount and free shipping,that's huge when shipping stuff up here. I used the link to MF while they are having a cyber Monday sale.

Was using my Fender Deluxe at rehearsal so this will be a upgrade and hopefully a great sounding stage monitor.

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Nov 26th, 2018 04:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

Free shipping is a big deal for me too, especially the heavy stuff.
I'm in Whitehorse.

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Nov 26th, 2018 07:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

In my experience, if you have to use a PA at band practice, it's best to use floor wedges only. And keep the PA volume low; if you have to crank the PA to hear your vocals, the amps and drums are too loud.

Having FOH-style speakers on stands for band practice is the fast track to early deafness, especially in a basement or small practice space.

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Nov 27th, 2018 06:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have always found that setting up as you would on stage...physically standing in the same relationship to the other musicians AND the actual monitor mix you will have on stage...if the more useful approach...as Peegoo said above, monitors only...

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Nov 27th, 2018 07:03 AM   Edit   Profile  

Nice speaker. I love QSC gear. I don't own any personally, but have played with plenty of people that do.

I agree with Peegoo and Tony regarding band rehearsal. More than likely there won't be anyone to listen to your FOH speakers anyway so keep the volume as low as possible.

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Nov 27th, 2018 12:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

Right on ya'll. Yeah the enclosure is made to be laid on it's side, so down and in front it will go. The next thing I need to decide is what mixer to get. The Mackie Pro FX8 is what my brother has been using and recommended so I'm looking at getting one of those as well. I should have bought it yesterday when things were 15% off Phft!"*#%!



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Nov 27th, 2018 03:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

I’d go with a small digital mixer if you can swing it. The processing power you get with one is very impressive for such a small unit.

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Nov 27th, 2018 04:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

Suggestions? I read some reviews on the little Mackie a few said they didn't hold up well, the 12 V2 had better reviews. I've also looked at a Yamaha MG 12XUK (It got good reviews) I've always focused on guitar gear so I'm going to be ignorant about PA gear, The few venues we play at have all the PA gear set up 24/7 we just plug in the mic's and the guy sets the levels.

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Nov 27th, 2018 11:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

We have three Presonus digital mixers at work and we have a Behringer X-Air XR18R digital mixer.

The younger guys who are more digital savvy than I am love them.

I own one Mackie ProFx8, two ProFX12 and two ProFX16. I want one more, ProFX22 for larger band gigs where I provide sound for hire. For your typical 150-250 person capacity that is never more than 50-75% capacity...the ProFX16 and ProFX22 is a pretty decent mixer...but a lot depends on your concept of what your front of house sound should be. We are a quick set up two piece and occasionally a three piece (we simply add hand percussion or drummer). It works for us.

I did sound for hire at a monthly singer songwriter concert series for a year using 2 or 3 or 4 Yamaha DBR10 and the ProFX16...what I took depended on the information the producer gave me. Audiences never got more than 50 patrons (non liquor licensed venue) +/- 10% audience.

I got lots of compliments on the sound quality and the stage lighting, but in the end, the pay was not enough to give up my free time. It was more a labor of love...and ultimately, the lack of respect the producer showed me simply pushed me out the door.

If I am doing twice as much work as I was paid for...I expect courtesy and appreciation. She never invited my helper or I to join in the meal she provided for the musicians. She would tell me 3 musicians and it would end up being 5 performers. THAT got old.

Sorry for the rant, but I feel better...

If you are comfortable with digital data terminals like iPhones and smart phones and iPads and notepads and laptops...and you do some home recording and are pretty savvy with digital recording and software...JUMP ON A BEHRINGER AIR but you want a password protected Wi-Fi router to give you restricted access from the general public.

While the Oklahoma direct sun and heat and humidity are probably not a problem for Alaska...I will share that we lost our iPad control on the XR18 Air...apparently direct sunlight in 110 air temp with 90 plus humidity will shut down a Dell notebook PC....there is NO WAY to mix from the XR18 Air without (our house rule: a router and) a digital processor...you have to go to the desk versions of the XR series if you want to have on board mixing capabilities.

If you do not need many inputs, there are smaller and less expensive X-Air mixer systems...

At 69, I like analog. The younger guys at work like our digital stuff.


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Nov 28th, 2018 09:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

I’ll second the Behringer XR18Air. I’ve owned one since they came out. I was able to learn how to operate it fairly easy. You can download the app for free and play around with it in demo mode.

One advantage of the XR18 over the smaller channel units is the ability to multi track 18 channels into the DAW of your choice via USB. The smaller ones only record the main outs onto a USB stick. Six aux outs is nice for separate monitor mixes. If the band is really tech savvy they could all dial in their own monitor mix. I’ve never done this personally, but it can be done. Not sure I’d feel completely comfortable with 4 or 5 people having the ability to jack with the main mix.

Don’t rely on the built in router for anything outside the house. Get a decent dual band router and you won’t have any connection issues. You get a bunch of cell phones pinging and things don’t work very well. With the dual band I can operate the system from anywhere in the room.

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Nov 29th, 2018 08:06 AM   Edit   Profile  

I just realized this is about pactice PA's.

Oh-TAY!

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Nov 29th, 2018 10:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

The only problem I have with the Mackie ProFx models are that they only have maybe two monitor mixes and a lot of times we need more. That's why we use the 1604 model for most of our shows and also have the Presonus AI24 for bigger venues. The Presonus is a dream mixer, but it did have problems in the heat!!! We lost the display and couldn't get it to come back on until it cooled down. So, if you are going to play with the Presonus mixer on a hot day, it needs to be kept cool and out of the direct sunlight! Man,I thought we lost it but it came back on after it cooled down. This is a Public Service Announcement for anyone who has these mixers!
I don't think you can really beat the Presonus mixer for almost any purpose. Flexible routing, any mix setting you'd want and really clear preamp. But for everyday use, a Mackie mixer just can't be beat!
I like the onboard effects of the FX model but is lacking for monitor mixes but they perform as advertised and won't give you a lick of any problems. Just know what you need and you'll find the best in a Mackie mixer.

Juice Nichols
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Nov 29th, 2018 04:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

“I just realized this is about pactice PA's.“

I know right? I kinda lost the title of the thread somewhere.

As the great Allen Iverson once said, “We’re talkin’ about practice!”

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Nov 30th, 2018 03:59 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yes, used for Practice now. But thanks for all the knowledgeable remarks so far, they're still worth reading. Here is what I have determined in just some general research and based on my own preferences. First I'm not a digital type person so even though that type for format is were things are going more and more now I think analog works better for me. Ive also talked to guys that have had some quirky things happen (like every thing lost after the final mix) and wifi shutdowns. Neither I nor the other guys own an Ipad or smart phone so that's just something else we'd have to buy and maintain, no thanks. So I'm now leaning toward a Mackie Pro FX12V2 they have good reviews and are stupid simple to figure out (which is how I like stuff). Right now it's just me and the bass player on vocals but there are enough spots for a key board and a couple of sit in backup singers which is what is driving us to expand our practice gear.

(This message was last edited by scott-s at 06:07 PM, Nov 30th, 2018)

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Nov 30th, 2018 06:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

After reading this (and most any PA thread) I am reminded just how ancient and obsolete my PA gear is.

A Behringer UB2222FX mixer; Yamaha PS3500 power amp; Ross 15-band stereo EQ; 2 x Yamaha S15e passive loudspeakers; 2 x Ashton ME12 passive monitors; 2 x Behringer B212D powered speakers...

I bought most of it in 2004 (the dark ages ;^) and I haven't done gigs in a very long time. However, everything still works great, owes me nothing and will do the job again. (someday)

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 08:51 PM, Nov 30th, 2018)

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Dec 1st, 2018 01:18 AM   Edit   Profile  

Hi Scott
Just got home from work.
News says serious quake in Anchorage.
Everything good where you are?
cheers

scott-s
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Dec 1st, 2018 01:28 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yes it's all good here, I didn't even know it happened, I might have been sleeping in. But some highway infrastructure damage in the Anchorage area has been a big deal from what I understand.

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Dec 6th, 2018 12:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

Received the QSC CP12 and I DI'd the mic right into the back of it with a "Wirlwind Li'l Imp" plugged on to the mic cord's XLR, Man O Man! Crystal clear and way, way out on top. No more hiding in the mix, every flaw is brutally exposed now.

Looks like the mixer will be arriving today, but I can already see we need to go back to the vocal woodshed to get our chops straightened up a bit.

Nice box BTW, it's pretty compact and light with some reinforced spots where it contacts the floor. The recessed handle is molded into the top so it's easy to move around and store, I'm keeping it in it's shipping box because we rehearse in a wood shop and the fine dust is everywhere and a problem.



RicOkc

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Jan 30th, 2019 11:35 PM   Edit   Profile  

For band rehearsals we used our monitor system.

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