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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Can Your Ears Tell the Difference on Records - Single Coil v. Humbuckers

celius

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Nov 2nd, 2018 03:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

Speaking of the new Jimmy Page Tele, and Stairway solo, I often find myself (and mostly a listener of rock music) listening to classic rock or 80's, 90's rock (that is where my current listening trail ends) and trying to guess if the solos on a popular song were busted out on single coils or humbuckers. Then I look up the info on-line or on Wiki to see if I was right. From a player standpoint, if a recorded guitar rig (or live rig for that matter) is heavily processed, you can't often tell the difference as to whether the player is using a single coil or humbucker and I like a transparent rig where the difference comes through regardless of what type of guitar/pups you are using through the same rig. Why have different guitars to play if you can't tell them apart through your rig.

With that being said, and not having known about the Stairway solo with the Tele until several years ago, it fooled me; I assumed Pagey used one of his Les Pauls for that solo before then.

(This message was last edited by celius at 06:04 PM, Nov 2nd, 2018)

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Nov 3rd, 2018 07:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

Go and watch Johan Segeborn's YT channel - same amp into different speaker cabs, or even different years of the similar speakers - different sounds, often radically so. Different amps into same speaker cabs - similar sounds. And the range of sounds in pickups is crazy huge. Who can reliably tell the difference blindfold between a say P90 and a bright humbucker when you don't know what amplifiers are used?

And then we have mic model and position, and post-mic eq or compression. Why do we think that listening back to that and deciding what guitar/pickups were used should be an easy thing?

Hell, sometimes I even forget what pickup position I'm playing with my own guitar and amp!

(This message was last edited by DrKev at 09:25 AM, Nov 3rd, 2018)

Cal-Woody

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Nov 3rd, 2018 07:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

It definitely was a trip to learn that Jimmy Page used a Telecaster to play the solo on Stairway to Heaven. Man, I would have sworn it was a Les Paul because of the woody tones and the sustain he was getting! Always learning something new about the sound that some of my guitar heroes made and that particular solo was one that I would have lost money on a bet!!!

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Nov 3rd, 2018 07:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

One can make a guitar sound like anything in the studio. Who would've figured Steely Dan recorded their guitars straight to the board and then EQ'd them afterward and added the gain stage?

I saw an interview with Craig Chaquico of Jefferson Starship decades ago. He said while recording Jane that he had his rig set for some nice growly distortion. But the engineer requested that he set his amp to pure clean. Craig argued the tone sounded like ass but the engineer said, "Trust me".

Once he heard the final recording, he was amazed.

(This message was last edited by LeftyMeister at 02:56 PM, Nov 3rd, 2018)

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Nov 3rd, 2018 11:19 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Hell, sometimes I even forget what pickup position I'm playing with my own guitar and amp!"

You're not the only one, not that I would ever do that. :)



SonicBlue

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Nov 3rd, 2018 12:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

I sometimes forget what guitar I'm playing...

Achase4u
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Nov 3rd, 2018 01:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

Not really if there's enough distortion.

However, I did make some pickups for a guy named Chris who did all the guitar work for Mike Post on Law and Order. We had some good long exchanges of emails and he wanted me to guess at one point what pickups might be on this overdriven recording he did. I said Lace Sensors and was right. I feel like I could tell, but maybe I just got lucky. I was "ear training" a lot of sounds back in those days.

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Nov 3rd, 2018 06:38 PM   Edit   Profile  

"I sometimes forget what guitar I'm playing..."

I know there's been more than a couple of times over the years, late into a gig towards the end of the night, where I'm really fatigued and even though my muscle memory is working for the song we're playing, I can't remember what song we're playing. Weird, for sure.

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Nov 3rd, 2018 06:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

"I saw an interview with Craig Chaquico of Jefferson Starship decades ago. He said while recording Jane that he had his rig set for some nice growly distortion. But the engineer requested that he set his amp to pure clean. Craig argued the tone sounded like ass but the engineer said, "Trust me"."

I don't know how guys can do this! The sound coming out of my guitar and amp most definitely affect the way I play; the better I sound, the better I can hear myself, the better I'm gonna play! I guess that's why they're pros, and I'm not! lol

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Nov 3rd, 2018 06:57 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Sometimes I even forget what pickup position I'm playing with my own guitar and amp."

This is why studios use track sheets to document everything to the nth detail about the track. If the need arises, they can refer to the track sheet and replicate the sound for a punch fix or change to a passage.

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Nov 3rd, 2018 07:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Unless someone asks me for advice, I never tell a player how to set their amp or tone on a session. That's the Steve Albini way. Who am I to say how their art should sound?

On the flip side, these were probably engineers regularly used to working with label producers and knew what would be best for "the label".

"This is why studios use track sheets to document everything to the nth detail about the track. If the need arises, they can refer to the track sheet and replicate the sound for a punch fix or change to a passage."

Yea, some place do that for sure. They also take a DI a lot of the time and later will reamp through amplifiers of their choosing.

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Nov 3rd, 2018 11:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've done scant amounts of recording but I've played parts on other peoples CD projects and always played "dry" right into the board, after that they added what they wanted to my tracks.

I can tell the difference, but only when there's very little processing like the OP states. For instance the crisp lines and chords in most funk is easy to tell it's being played on a Fender. Robert Cray and Buddy Guy get those classic Fender tones which are easy to pick out for me but once we move into hard rock territory it can get murky pretty quickly.

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Nov 4th, 2018 04:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

I can better-tell with country music than rock, in general terms. Things like the intro to Sweet Home Alabama are easy. Distortion muddies the waters.


See what I did there? :-P

Gaukdawg

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Nov 5th, 2018 07:25 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think it depends on the artist and how they record. If the producer has more control it makes it more difficult. But take Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers as an example. I can tell which guitar was used by Tom and Mike on just about every track. And they used just about everything when recording and playing live. I can tell with Bryan Adams as well. With some people you even tell the amp they used to.


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Nov 5th, 2018 08:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

With modern signal processing these days, it's possible to get to a high-probability level of confidence when making a guess at the type of pickups. But there's no way to definitively determine what it actually is just by the sound.

Amps are the same. When Peter Frampton toured in the late 70s in support of his huge Frampton Comes Alive record, he had a bank of unbranded Marshalls behind him. However, his main sound came from two mic'd Ampeg Reverberockets under the stage riser.

This is a pretty good live version

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Nov 5th, 2018 08:27 AM   Edit   Profile  

Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's impossible. The cleaner the guitar, the easier it is to discerne.

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Nov 6th, 2018 06:17 PM   Edit   Profile  

It's all in the hands I say.

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