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Ryder
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Butterscotch Blues
Oct 31st, 2018 05:33 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have a 2016 Tele Deluxe thinline with VNs.
They just sound muddy to me.
I really don’t care for these pup but want to keep Fender in it.

I have a Baja Tele and love the broadcaster/nocaster pups.

I’m thinking of putting Baja pups in or Texas Specials in the Deluxe.

Keeping in mind this is a semi-hollow, what do you recommend?

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Oct 31st, 2018 06:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

If it were me:

1. Nocaster bridge pickup
2. Twisted Tele neck pickup
3. The four-position Tele switch for the added selection of series/humbucking mode

This way it will be different enough from your other Tele to remain useful.

Ryder
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Oct 31st, 2018 06:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Peegoo, that’s what I was hoping for.
It already has the 4 position switch which I really like.

I like everything about it except for the pickups.

And I do want it to be different.

Ryder
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Oct 31st, 2018 07:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

Where do you buy one of each? eBay?
Fender doesn’t sell them that way.
Amazon doesn’t have the twisted Tele pup.

Ryder
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Oct 31st, 2018 09:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

Found the twisted Tele on amazon.
Found the nocaster on a different website.
Both new nor $79.99 each, free shipping.
How does that sound?

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Oct 31st, 2018 09:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

I was researching these a little while ago. That sounds about right.

Ryder
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Oct 31st, 2018 12:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Leftee.
Since I don’t do this work, I just play with them.
In a couple of weeks I’ll be taking it in to my buddies at Mass Street Music in Lawrence, Kansas.
Also home of Kansas University.

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Oct 31st, 2018 08:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

That's the going rate for these pickups.

The Twisted Tele is a beefier-sounding pickup than a typical Tele neck pickup; it's alnico 5 slugs in a taller bobbin and has more wire (42 ga) on it.

It is more Strat-like than Tele-like, and approaches P90 tone. Makes a nice fat sound.

It also cleans up nice and sparkly when you roll back on the volume.

But I figure you already did some reading up on these pickup suggestions before dropping the dough.

Mick Reid
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Nov 1st, 2018 01:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

I can attest to the great sound of the Twisted Tele. My favourite tele neck pickup.
However, I'm also a fan of FVN's too. At least the strat ones. I haven't played the tele version.

I recently picked up a set of the Tele Gen 4 Noiseless, but haven't installed them yet. Hoping to get to that next week.


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Nov 1st, 2018 04:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

When the VNs were first issued 20 years ago, I was in the market for a new Strat. I played a bunch of them, and the VN-equipped models were missing something in the tone. I thought it was just me overthinking things, so I had my sales pal play several in the shop without me knowing which was which. And I was able to determine which were VN and which were not.

I know these have come a long way through design revision, but I own no VN-equipped guitars.

Ryder
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Nov 1st, 2018 04:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Before I had the Baja Tele I thought the VNs were ok.
After I got the Baja I did not care for the VNS at all.

I like how you guys describe the twisted Tele pup!

Thank you, I’m getting more anxious to get that and the nocaster installed.

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Nov 1st, 2018 06:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

Two of my Teles have Strat pickups in the neck position. You can remove the plastic cover from a Strat pickup and squeeze it through the neck pickup hole in a Tele pickguard. It's good insurance to add a bunch of wraps of strong cloth tape to the coil first to protect the windings.

I know tone is very subjective, and talking about tone is like dancing about architecture, so for what it's worth...

The VNs I've heard (I don't have any, but I've worked on a bunch) lack a certain 'juiciness' in their tone that a good alnico pickup has. It's like there's a blanket over the amp. Perhaps I *like* vintage noise :o)

But if you're gigging and/or recording, VNs make plenty of sense because noise is a real problem when you're trying to produce the best possible sound. There are always trade-offs.

Ryder
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Nov 1st, 2018 09:54 AM   Edit   Profile  

These VNs are quite noisy.

Sweetwater’s tech told me they aren’t supposed to be completely noiseless.

Whatever! Then they shouldn’t be called noiseless.

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Nov 1st, 2018 11:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

Then perhaps they should be "Virtually Noiseless."

Ryder
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Nov 1st, 2018 11:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

Exactly!

Cal-Woody

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Nov 1st, 2018 12:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

Are the Thinline Tele's just hollow on the wings and the routing still like the regular Tele's? If so, then adding shielding to the route below the pickups would be the way to go. That way you get the best of both worlds!

Mick Reid
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Nov 1st, 2018 04:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

Okay...
I can only take so much VN bashing here... ;^)

I have sets in multiple strats (and a couple non-strats). They are dead quiet both at home and in some fairly dodgy rehearsal spaces.

Tone-wise, they sound fantastic IMO. Maybe it's the way I EQ my amp, but I would defy anyone to hear them blindfolded and not say they sounded "like a strat" and certainly not muddy.

Just yesterday I was playing my Squier Deluxe Strat (which I hadn't played in months) and was quickly reminded how *great* that guitar plays and sounds. Very snappy, quacky and punchy... with VN's in it.

I know to each his own and I'm not really taking this personal (no, really) there will always be different camps when it comes to noiseless.

FWIW, I never had a problem with Lace Sensors when I used them. Another divisive issue...

That is all. Over & out.


Ryder
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Nov 1st, 2018 06:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

Mick, sorry I bashed them.
Here’s my story. This is my second one. I sent one back because of the noise, and had them send me another of the same. It was noisy too.
I really think fender goofed on this one.
I’ve read complaints about the noise these make.
It’s something in the wiring I think

If I had VNs in another guitar I’d probably like them.

I’ll have the shop that’s doing the work make sure it’s ok.
Thanks

Ryder
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Nov 1st, 2018 06:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

sorry, my finger twitched twice

(This message was last edited by Ryder at 09:22 PM, Nov 1st, 2018)

Mick Reid
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Nov 1st, 2018 06:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

All in good fun!

I remember when you had that trouble.
If that had happened to me, I'd probably be put off too.

When it comes to tone, I always say "the beauty is in the ear of the beholder".

:^)

Also, you should have that "twitchy finer" checked out...

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 08:34 PM, Nov 1st, 2018)

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