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Malcolm
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Oct 3rd, 2018 02:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

Guitarist mag has an article this month on Seth Lover & his P90. At the end of his life he was working with Seymour Duncan. My question is:
how close did Seymour get to the real thing?

littleuch
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Oct 3rd, 2018 03:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

My 2 cents. I've used Duncan Antiquity P90's before and liked them, but I'm no P90 aficionado. Then I compared them to stock Gibson P90's in my 50's Les Paul Tribute and to my ear the Gibson's sounded better. Just an overall preference from balance to clean/distortion and all points in between.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 05:03 PM, Oct 3rd, 2018)

Achase4u
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Oct 3rd, 2018 03:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

If you take the wire diameter measurements insulated, uninsulated and ohms per foot, find the turns per layer and do an analysis of the specific magnet and pole screw composition and magnetic properties,, you'll have it.

A p90 isn't too hard. Nailing it, meaning the same material composition as the originals, is not so easy.

A PAF is much harder because of all the materials/parts and alloys involved.

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Oct 3rd, 2018 08:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

Also keep in mind that not all Gibson P90s sound the same.

Achase4u
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Oct 3rd, 2018 10:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

That's very true. Sort of like trying to copy the Fender strat pickups from 1956. Which ones? Many sounded different from one another. In the same guitar and year.

(This message was last edited by Achase4u at 12:47 AM, Oct 4th, 2018)

Malcolm
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Oct 4th, 2018 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Well, I'm not sure of the original sound now.

Achase4u
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Oct 4th, 2018 12:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

Neither am I, and I've studied these things for 10 years now. The seems to be some common thread in the sound of the old pickups that is heard to describe despite them all being different. I think it's best to just try and glean enough current model and make sounds best to you and go with that. It's impossible to know for sure until you try them though, which makes the whole thing difficult.

No one has been doing it as long as Seymour though. So that counts for a lot.

littleuch
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Oct 4th, 2018 12:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

A bit of deviation, but I often wonder about consistency between sets of identical boutique pickups. I was so in love with a set of Fralin Real 54's (still am) that I bought an identical set for another guitar. Roughly same readings on the meter, same vintage stagger, pots, caps and hardware all within spittin' range. The object of my effection alder/ maple, the other ash/maple. Such a difference that I find it difficult to believe the guitar and any of its construction accounted for the variance. Weird. I could have taken it a step further and tried swapping the loaded pickguards, but I didn't.

Achase4u
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Oct 4th, 2018 03:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

There is probably more inconsistency unless they are CNC winding and using modern hi tech alnico.

Most boutique winders are going for the older sand cast alnico etc. The Alnico III that Lindy uses (and I use) is made in the same facility that it was in the days Fender was buying their magnets. I've noticed some variation between batches of that alnico III. Though I haven't had any I didn't like.

Could be just an issue of the tensioner just being set up too tight on one set and not the other. That accounted for many differences in old PAFs. I doubt anyone is using the ultra high tech tensioners that show you how many grams of tension you are using. That makes a huge difference IMO.

It would be worth seeing how they performed in the other guitar. It's probably part of it. But who knows how much.

littleuch
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Oct 4th, 2018 03:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well, that guitar and set of pups are just a rumor now, lol. Long gone.

Achase4u
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Oct 4th, 2018 05:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

We must find it!!!

littleuch
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Outrage is the new twinkie
Oct 4th, 2018 06:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think I parted it out, stupid me!

RainboGuy

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Dec 16th, 2018 02:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Also keep in mind that not all Gibson P90s sound the same."

Amen to that.

And when you get lucky enough to find a set that has "THAT SOUND"......you will know it!!!

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