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Cal-Woody

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Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Jul 21st, 2018 05:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

Sometimes you can use a shot-ping hammer and tap the metal on a anvil or shop vise to flatten the holes. This will flatten the holes and the screws will grab again. But with them being older, you might have to opt for going up to the next size and find something with close to the same thread count. If you try to flatten the metal out, make sure you measure the pickup height and not have a lot of further adjustments.

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Jul 21st, 2018 06:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

thanks bud...that thought crossed my mind, but I have not tried it as of yet....

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Jul 21st, 2018 09:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've had to repair humbuckers with stripped height screws. The best solution I've found that's a simple fix anyone can do is to use 5-Minute epoxy to bond a small nut with matching threads under the pickup ear that's stripped.

You can find this small hardware at any decent hobby shop that sells R/C toys.

Cal-Woody

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Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Jul 22nd, 2018 08:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

I like Peegoo's idea and I think when you do this, coat the screw with some wax to prevent the glue from sticking to the screen. This way you will have proper placement and the screw will release. Or if Peegoo can suggest a better substitute for your problem, I would also be interested in his suggestions, because of his vast experience and knowledge!

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Jul 22nd, 2018 09:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

P, your idea also crossed my mind..although I wasn't sure what type of glue would work..there is a Hobby Lobby in town...I'll bet they have it..

thanks for the input gentlemen!

Mick Reid
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Jul 22nd, 2018 04:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

Cal, I'm thinking introducing wax into any part of this equation would run the risk of interfering with the epoxy sticking where you want it.

Once the epoxy is set, the adjustment screw will turn through the epoxy with no problem and I can't imagine would adhere to the threads even after a long period of time.

If I were doing this, I would just align the holes of the nut and mounting tab by eye whilst the epoxy was still soft, rather than passing the screw with nut threaded on through the mounting tab hole and *then* introducing the epoxy. (which is where I think you were going)


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Jul 22nd, 2018 07:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

good point.....I went to ACE and bought some stainless metric screws that have a slightly larger thread..took the pup with me to make sure it would work...the head on the screw is ever so slightly bigger than the original ones but would still work..

and besides, who looks at the screws anyway?...lol

that being said...I'm not sure which method to try first as of yet... I have a pickguard on the way and when it comes I will decide then..

this is my first Tele project on almost 2 years ..so I'm really stoked to get into it...

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Jul 23rd, 2018 05:43 AM   Edit   Profile  

The way I do it is with the pickup assembled on the ring or scratchplate.

I scuff the parts' (pickup ears and nuts) surfaces with coarse sandpaper and clean with alcohol. Then I loosely assemble the parts. The spring tension and screw holds the nut in perfect alignment.

With everything together, I mix up a very small amount of epoxy and use a toothpick to 'paint' it around the sides of the nut and onto the flat metal below.

It's really simple.


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Jul 23rd, 2018 07:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

Here's a diagram.

All that's needed is to hold the nut in place. There's not a lot of torque on the nut in use, so the old rule, "the bigger the gob--the better the job" does not apply here.

If the nut does not sit flat on the metal, use a fine file to flatten the metal. Next, scuff the area and the nut with sandpaper, and clean both with alcohol. That ensures a good epoxy bond. Assemble everything, and then mix up some epoxy.

One small drop of epoxy, spread around the perimeter of the nut, is all that's necessary. The finished job should resemble a good through-hole solder joint in a PC board: a nice, smooth fillet all the way around.

Here's an important thing about using epoxy: clean hands make a difference. If you're eating fried chicken while doing this, the epoxy won't stick. The surfaces need to be very clean to ensure a permanent bond.

You could solder the nut on and that will work, but it's tricky to keep the solder out of the threads in the nut. Also, solder all by itself is too soft and the screw will pull out.

CA/superglue will work, but you need to use the thick gel type. If you use the medium-viscosity or the water-thin stuff, it will wick into the threads (no matter how careful you are) and you'll be hating life.

You could also use hot snot (hot glue), but it's a bit messier.

Clickity

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 09:22 AM, Jul 23rd, 2018)

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Jul 23rd, 2018 07:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

And while we're on the subject, the simple way to repair stripped screw threads in vulcanized fiber flatwork (like on older Fender pickups) is to use gel CA.

Place a piece of tape over the bottom of the stripped hole, and then drop some CA in. Push it around a little in the hole with a toothpick to remove any air bubbles, and let it cure.

Next, drill a new hole slightly smaller than the screw. If you have the proper tap, you can tap new threads. If not, run the screw in and out a few times and that will cut new threads. Done correctly, this repair is virtually invisible.


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Jul 23rd, 2018 08:19 AM   Edit   Profile  

you
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thanks for the input bro.... sweet diagram...

a round of Duff's?

Peegoo
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Ooo that sandwich

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Jul 23rd, 2018 08:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

[hoists a coffee mug of cheap bourbon with a splash of coffee in it]

'Ere's to ya.

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Jul 23rd, 2018 12:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

(bang skulls together)

(This message was last edited by Guitar Fool at 02:08 PM, Jul 23rd, 2018)

Mick Reid
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Jul 23rd, 2018 04:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've used Peegoo's fibre bobbin fix a number of times.
He shared in a thread I posted a few years ago and it really does work a treat.

Great tip and graphic on the above topic too!
Cheers P!

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Ooo that sandwich

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Jul 23rd, 2018 04:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

True blue!

Cheers, mate.

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Jul 27th, 2018 02:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

ok...epoxied the nuts...figured I try that first at least for the experience... it it doesn't work then I'll go a different route..
i had 2 that the epoxy got into the threads and had to re do them...if all is ok tomorrow I'm going to install them in the pick guard.

and for the record, my hands are not as stable as they used to be!!!

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Jul 28th, 2018 01:17 PM   Edit   Profile  

all together..but even though the neck pickup has a 10.6k ohm reading..output is weaker and slightly nasally...in the middle position it's worse......bridge pup sounds awesome though

I'm guessing at some point in time, someone reversed the pole pieces in the neck pickup so the coils are out of phase..

I'll tackle this another time...any suggestion's welcome!

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Sunshine State

What is wrong with men being men?
Jul 29th, 2018 01:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

problem solved...slotted pole pieces on the neck humbucker were reversed...swapped the 3 low strings with the 3 high strings...bingo!!..instant tone heaven..
makes you shake your head wondering how something like this could happen..lol



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Ooo that sandwich

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Jul 29th, 2018 03:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

That's weird!

These were 2nd-hand pickups then?

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Jul 29th, 2018 07:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

yes....pretty weird eh?....

I bought a 4 dollar compass at Wal Mart today and was able to figure it out based on a picture that TE252 posted on my Ebay thread....

yer never too old to learn something new!

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