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Jul 7th, 2018 08:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Been there. Couldn't walk, couldn't even put on my own socks.

The most important thing to remember (if you have disc surgery) is that it is a repair--and it will never be as good as new.

It means you can no longer lift heavy items, save damsels in distress, etc. You have to develop a real appreciation for drag/roll/push, or get someone else to help you. You have to move slowly and deliberately. Sit gently--no plopping your kiester down. No running up or down stairs. You have to become a bit of a wuss...it ain't easy. Your post-surgery mobility depends on it.

Mojo, to ya, HD.

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Jul 8th, 2018 06:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That sucks, sir.

As a mobility limited cripple, the little I've been able to wrest back (including able to get myself off the floor, which I never thought I'd do again)...is golden.

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Jul 8th, 2018 08:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You know, I always had an appreciation of what can happen to you from taking care of my late wife for so long as she progressed from a cane to a walker to a wheelchair, but it doesn’t really come completely home until you experience it yourself.

I am somewhat heartened by the fact that this is extremely common, so I’m hoping the fixes will be fairly routine. Like Peegoo said though - my back will likely never be the same again, and definitely won’t be like it was when I was 20. I already went through this with my repaired ankle, so I’m prepared.

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Jul 8th, 2018 10:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Best Wishes HD.

I have experienced a considerable share of back issues in my life, fortunately nothing that was debilitating for any length of time. A few times I've thought, "maybe this is the time where it doesn't recover."


Anyway, I know enough to hope they get your situation figured out and make daily life more pleasurable on the mobility front.

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 12:36 PM, Jul 8th, 2018)

HeavyDuty
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Jul 11th, 2018 03:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well.

The pain doc inspires trust. His philosophy is minimally invasive treatment for as long as possible. He feels a lot of the disc deterioration is asymptomatic and would respond better to PT, but one specific area is causing most of the pain. I’m scheduled for a lube job on that joint next week.

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Jul 11th, 2018 04:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Keep us posted. I wonder if many docs don't do more damage than good when it comes to issues like you're having.

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Jul 11th, 2018 05:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I wonder if many docs don't do more damage than good when it comes to issues like you're having."

Chris, I am always fearful of exactly that.

My solutions ...

I can say that one of the ways I have found to manage my ongoing back situation is an inversion table.

I use it daily and sometimes multiple times a day depending on how my back is treating me (which is usually dependent on how I am abusing my back).

That coupled with some methods of stretching my back (separating vertebra) while laying on my back.

And then a little stick I made myself about 30 years ago that I use to basically crush nerves in back of my hip joint to get them to mellow out when stressed.

It all sounds nutty maybe, but it keeps me under control and away from the doctors.

A lot of what I have learned to do in this effort to self correct was gleaned from Chiropractic treatments. Some of it directly from things they do and some of it simply by me extrapolating my own methods.

The big deal though is separating those vertebra and I can always tell when things are moving in the right places to solve problems.

It's an ongoing daily effort and nothing truly gets fixed by this, but I can and do give irritated nerves and stressed muscles the opportunity to recover.

I take no pain meds stronger than the usual over the counter aspirin or ibuprofen or such.

Short of going to a doctor/surgeon that is the name of the game IMO.

I will add this: My chiropractor ordered an MRI a few years ago and after looking at it he said, "I can't believe you don't complain more about your back".

How it compares to anyone else's back I have no clue, but it's a bit of a mess. ;)

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I get back pain relief from chiropractic and stretching, but it doesn’t do much for the leg nerve involvement - that’s where this doc thinks he can help with a minimally invasive procedure like the injections. (I’ll ask him about installing zerks for follow up treatments.)

He commented that the other disk deterioration looks scary and needs to be watched, but he felt I would be best to work on those with PT and chiropractic instead of more aggressive treatments. He was emphatic that his goal is to keep me away from his surgeon partner’s scalpel for as many years as he can, hopefully forever.

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Jul 11th, 2018 06:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BlondeStrat, tell me more about your stick - what are you doing with it?

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Jul 11th, 2018 07:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I took this technique straight from a chiropractor that was treating my back in about 1982.

He had a stick that he pressed into the back of my hip joint where there were inflamed nerves.


I can simply lay on my stomach on the bed and reach around and press this tip into that joint and work it around. Hurts like hell sometimes to do it, but I essentially just try to press and crush into that nerve ball (or whatever you want to call it) and it will cause it to relax significantly which will in turn allow some of the vertebra in my lower back to relax and then break loose.

When I say break loose, I mean I can feel and hear things move in my back as it stretches out and the vertebra separate. Lot's of *ker-thunk* sort of stuff goes on.

Sometimes things are so tight that I can't get it to relax in one session of working on it. It might take several repeated sessions on the incline or on the bed pushing on my thighs.

But as I said, when the right places break loose I know it right away.

This is the stick ...

right here. I made it back in the mid 80s and have used it ever since.

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Jul 11th, 2018 07:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I always have a wedge pillow to elevate my legs.

I can use this to lay on my back on the bed … put my hands on my thighs near the hip joint and simply press down to stretch my back out.

This is often the most effective way to move things in my back and get the best situation of relief.

I sometimes actually sleep on my back with this pillow under my legs. This is also an effective way to get my back to relax, though I don't always find it to be the most desirable sleep position.

At times I sleep on my side with this pillow between my legs (one leg under it and one above) and it can be helpful.


The thing I have to say is all of what I do I have developed for myself over more than half a lifetime (about 35 years), my back has been screwed up that long.

I would not profess to being able to actually explain how someone else might make any of this effective for them … or that it even could be effective for them.

All I can do is say what I have done and how it worked out for me. ;)

Wedge Pillow for leg elevation

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Jul 11th, 2018 07:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Interesting. I’ll have to ask my chiro about the technique to see if it’s applicable to me.

I wonder if Doc Johnson’s makes something that can be used? /s

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Jul 11th, 2018 07:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I should add: While using the pillow and pressing down I often will rotate my hips as I press which gives some rotational adjustment value and sometimes makes all the difference in gaining relief.

Meaning it caused things to break loose that otherwise might not without the rotational movement.

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Jul 11th, 2018 08:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

then I have this hook I use.

The most effective way I use it is laying on my back on the bed and reach it underneath my back and leverage it between the bed into my back.

I can use it to (similar to the stick) to press hard as though I'm trying to crush the back muscles, making them relax. I can use it in close to the spine to get to what feel like nerve areas and similarly press hard to get them to relax.

I can create a lot of force/pressure with that tip when leveraged on the bed with my weight laying on my back.

The cane can be used in many ways to message and pinpoint specific spots.

For me though it's primarily a matter of putting somewhat of a crushing force on muscles and nerves causing them to relax so I can stretch the back effectively.

It's always the stretch and movement between vertebra that provides the sought after relief for me.

Hook/Cane

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Jul 11th, 2018 08:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I also find stretching my hamstring muscles to be helpful to my lower back.

Sometimes right here at the computer I'll swing my heel up on the desk and stretch out the hamstring and calf muscles and achilles on each leg for a bit.

Sometimes get on the floor for the old hurdlers method of stretching.

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Jul 12th, 2018 06:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Interesting - I definitely need to talk to my chiro!

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Jul 12th, 2018 07:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I hope you are able to get it squared away fully.

I understand completely what you mean about taking mobility for granted. I remember distinctly the day I decided to go to the doctor for my hip pain. I was in the grocery store parking lot waiting for my wife (no pics) who had run in quick to pick something up. I saw a guy walking through the parking lot and his gate was free and easy and he was clearly unaware of the luxury of walking without pain.

I was so envious of his pain free life. It was so strange that just seeing someone walk without pain made me well up with envy. At that moment, I decided to make an appointment to have my hip looked at.

6 months later, with a hip replacement, I could walk that same free and easy walk. I no longer take it for granted and even though I rarely think about the bionic hip, I still frequently think about how nice it is to walk somewhere without pain.

I hope you get back there.

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Jul 12th, 2018 10:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Larry,

How long do you spend on your inversion table (in one session) and at what angle?

I'm only using mine a couple minutes at a time. Mine is set at 60 degrees.

I also started doing crunches while on it. PT had me start those using an exercise ball under my lower legs. I like this better.

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Jul 12th, 2018 04:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"How long do you spend on your inversion table (in one session) and at what angle?

I'm only using mine a couple minutes at a time. Mine is set at 60 degrees.

I also started doing crunches while on it. PT had me start those using an exercise ball under my lower legs. I like this better."

I use the table for maybe three to four minutes usually, but sometimes up to ten or more. Keep in mind that these muscles are not accustom to dealing with this backward situation. We are asking them to accept something that is the exact opposite to what they are *trained* to do. More time will allow for more natural relaxation of the muscles.

I think (to some extent) I have taught myself to allow the muscles to relax better in a shorter time over the years. My hang-time is based on the response I am getting in my spine.

If I know I have tortured my back and I can see that the muscles are somewhat spasmed and are not going to relax right now, I take what I can get and come back later for another try.

I hang at near vertical, but not quite ... Queenie uses it sometimes and the thought of hanging vertical scares the biggeebies out of her. ;)

I do the sit-up crunches as well. That is actually another trick to get my back to loosen up better sometimes.

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Jul 12th, 2018 04:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I started at 15 degrees and, after a few days, went to 45. It’s been a couple weeks since I went to 60.

The crunches feel good! It helps that the spine is stretched while I’m doing those. I told my PT what I was doing and he laughed. That’s when he knew I was serious about this.

Some mornings I’m really hobbling so I start the day with a stretch. I can almost claim it as miraculous.

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