FDP Home Page / FDP Forum / FAQ's

The FDP is made possible by the following companies and individual members like you.
Please use the links below to show them we value their sponsorship.

Musician's Friend

Guitar Center

Antique Electronics Supply

Apex Tube Matching

MOD KITS DIY

Sweetwater

Amplified Parts

Yellowjackets Tube Converters

Advertise here

WD Music

Jensen Loudspeakers


* God bless America and our men and women in uniform *

* Illegitimi non carborundum! *

If you benefit and learn from the FDP and enjoy our site, please help support us and become a Contributing Member or make a Donation today! The FDP counts on YOU to help keep the site going with an annual contribution. It's quick and easy with PayPal. Please do it TODAY!

Chris Greene, Host & Founder

LOST YOUR PASSWORD?

......................................................................

   
FDP Jam
Calendar
Find musicians
in your area!
  Search the Forums  

FDP Forum / The 'Pup' Tent / Putting the T-Tops back in the Les Paul - Changing polepiece orientation ?

Previous 20 Messages  
Purple Valley
Contributing Member
**********
**

USA

Jun 13th, 2018 12:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Duncan Phat-Cat?

Peegoo
Contributing Member
**********
**********
**********
*

Ooo that sandwich

is gonna get et
Jun 13th, 2018 05:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Stooge Mac currently has the Golden Age Parsons Street standard humbuckers $20 off on sale.

I cannot say enough good things about these pickups. I have no dog in this fight--only that I'm a very satisfied customer. These pickups are lower-output, like Gibson's late 50's humbuckers. The neck pickup is very clear sounding. Stay away from the overwound version if you want that clarity in the neck position.

Remember that you can always boost your signal if you need to with a pedal, but you can never really get that same low-power clarity from an overwound pickup.

Leftee
Contributing Member
**********
**********
********

VA

Jun 13th, 2018 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ditto the StewMac recommendation. They never disappoint.

At $60 off I ordered a Strat set with an overwound bridge pickup. I don’t need a Strat set. Not today, any ways. (-;

Stratmanx
Contributing Member
**********
********

Memphis, TN

Jun 13th, 2018 08:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No worries on replacing the pickup.

I've already got a few great pickups to put in there, but really wanted to go back to the original T-Tops.

So that being said, trying to get the best sound out of them. Many have had the same complaint that the neck T-Tops just don't have that good articulation, so rather than replace, or modify I thought to spin them around and give that a try.

I've been sold on the Parson Streets for awhile now. I like the overwound in the bridge and a standard wind in the neck. On my dot / 335, its a fantastic combination.

Leftee
Contributing Member
**********
**********
********

VA

Jun 13th, 2018 08:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Back to the OP and the neck pickup. I’d stick a .015uF cap in there. It’s easy and quick on a LP. I’ve used this before to scrape some mud off a neck pickup.

Stratmanx
Contributing Member
**********
********

Memphis, TN

Jun 13th, 2018 08:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sounds like a plan, Leftee,

I'll do that.



Peegoo
Contributing Member
**********
**********
**********
*

Ooo that sandwich

is gonna get et
Jun 13th, 2018 09:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's a cheap 'n' easy approach if you want to keep the T-tops in there.

Leftee
Contributing Member
**********
**********
********

VA

Jun 13th, 2018 09:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

... if it works well enough for you.

Your success may vary. I've won with it in the past.

Not valid in all 50 states. Some (left-handed) actors were used in the filming of this infomercial.

Leftee
Contributing Member
**********
**********
********

VA

Jun 13th, 2018 12:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

FWIW - I typically use the ‘50s style wiring. That is to say the respective volume and tone pots are coupled by the tone cap.

Mick Reid
Contributing Member
*****

Australia

American-made in Oz!!
Jun 13th, 2018 04:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Do a web search for "Arties_Too de-mud mod".

It originated in the LP Forum and is intended to address dark/muddy neck position HB's.

It uses a 500k resistor and .01uf cap in series/parallel. I have had good luck with this in the past and the cap value can be changed to the frequency range.

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 06:33 AM, Jun 14th, 2018)

tiller2
Contributing Member
**********
*****

Washington DC

Jun 14th, 2018 10:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Stratmanx, how does the SD JB pickup in the bridge position compare to the T-top that you reinstalled?

I'm looking for tone with three elements that I hear in demos of vintage LPs: balls, snarl, and sparkle (BSS).

I wonder if JBs are best as a "1980s" tone. My LP Studio, bought used with the JB in the bridge has always sounded a bit sterile but recently I found some sparkle by raising it nearer the strings.

Does the T-top provide more BSS? Thanks.

(This message was last edited by tiller2 at 12:25 PM, Jun 14th, 2018)

Stratmanx
Contributing Member
**********
********

Memphis, TN

Jun 14th, 2018 02:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Keep in mind the T-Tops are 44 years old and the JB is 39 years old.

The JB has got a lot more power, its got the snarl and pushes the amp a good bit harder than the T-Tops.

The T-Tops are harder to dial in to get a good tone, a great deal of height adjustment and playing around to get that right.

Not much sparkle in either, as for me sparkle is a tone I'm used to hearing on a Tele or Strat.

The current production JB is a nice semi-hot pickup, but if you really want to do it right, like some of the guys commented above, the Stew Mac Parson Street humbuckers are really excellent.

I like the Alnico 5 overwound in the bridge, and an Alnico 2 normal wind in the neck if you want to go the StewMac route.

StewMac Parson Street overwounds.

Peegoo
Contributing Member
**********
**********
**********
*

Ooo that sandwich

is gonna get et
Jun 14th, 2018 03:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

+1. BSS indeed!

I like the clarity of the vintage PAF, so I like the regular-wind in the bridge. It makes a Les Paul sound like a muscular Telecaster.

If you prefer a slightly more-aggressive bite, go overwound like Stratmanx recommends.

Leftee
Contributing Member
**********
**********
********

VA

Jun 14th, 2018 03:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I’m a vintage wind A2 in the bridge and A5 in the neck guy.

Stratmanx
Contributing Member
**********
********

Memphis, TN

Jun 15th, 2018 07:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I DID IT !!!

I've gotten a good bit more definition out of the neck and its quite useable now.

Here's what I did:

For starters, I reversed the direction of the pickup, polepieces towards the bridge.

That gave it a bit more definition, but the big thing was radiusing the polepieces to the neck.

Reading thru an old copy of Guitar player I came across "Les Paul Setup Secrets"

Most pickups come with the polepieces level. Some folks like to adjust them so the polepieces look nice, either all parallel, or all opposed, however the trick it seems is the old Gibson Kalamazoo approach in that you set the two outer E string polepieces close to flush with the pickup cover, or bobbin if uncovered.

Adjust them with two opposing 45 degree angles as show in the picture, and then set the rest of the screws in a zig zag pattern using a radius gauge to follow your current neck radius.

For my Les Paul that would be 12 degrees.

Once the polepieces are adjusted to the radius and in a zig zag pattern, fret the E strings at the last fret and adjust the actual pickup height until a 1/16" gap exists between the bottom of the fretted strings and the top of the outside polepieces.

Next lower the neck pickup a bit as the arc of the ellipse is larger over the neck pup than the bridge.

That gets you in the ballpark, adjust height to taste.

The big thing here is to adjust the polepieces to match the radius of the strings.

This makes good sense and certainly has an impact on the sound for the better.


Kalamazoo approved polepiece screw pattern.

Leftee
Contributing Member
**********
**********
********

VA

Jun 15th, 2018 04:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Excellent!

Mick Reid
Contributing Member
*****

Australia

American-made in Oz!!
Jun 15th, 2018 04:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That’s great you got a result you’re happy with without a pickup change.
Pole piece adjustment is usually the best way to achieve balance. (I guess that’s why they’re screws not slugs ;^)

However, I’m currently have trouble getting a good result with one of my neck HB’s no matter what I do.
I think this one will require a swap.

The only thing I disagree on with the Kalamazoo article is the zig zag pattern concept. I think it’s a lot of hooey. I have trouble believing the slot direction has *any* affect on the magnetic field/tone.
Happy ending for you though, that’s what matters.

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 06:54 PM, Jun 15th, 2018)

Te 52

Laws of Physics

strictly enforced
Jun 16th, 2018 09:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The zig-zag pattern of the screw slots is only effective if you do the adjustment with the guitar outdoors, oriented on a north-south axis at midnight under a full moon.

Leftee
Contributing Member
**********
**********
********

VA

Jun 16th, 2018 10:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

But it looks cool

WWW

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 02:32 PM, Jun 16th, 2018)

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

Insert clever comment here
Jun 18th, 2018 12:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Personally I do something similar, but I always raise the screw below the 1st string so that it will sing a little more on leads.

I have a GFS Mean 180 p'up that's meant to be a p90-y humbucker. I actually just took it out of a guitar, but the thing I LOVED about it was that it had 2 sets of screws. Not just slugs on the one coil. This made it very adjustable for the actual tone of the p'up. It was in the neck, and if you raised the screw closest to the neck, you'd get more brightness. Raise the other screw on the same string, more low end. You could really dial that thing in! The only reason I took it out was that I wanted a bit more output to balance better with the bridge 'bucker.

(This message was last edited by gdw3 at 02:37 PM, Jun 18th, 2018)

Previous 20 Messages  

FDP Forum / The 'Pup' Tent / Putting the T-Tops back in the Les Paul - Changing polepiece orientation ?




Reply to this Topic
Display my email address             Lost your password?
Your Message:
Link Address (URL):
Link Title:




Moderators: Chris Greene  Iron Man  reverendrob  

FDP, LLC Privacy Policy: Your real name, username, and email
are held in confidence and not disclosed to any third parties, sold, or
used for anything other than FDP Forum registration unless you specifically authorize disclosure.

Furtkamp.com 
Internet Application Development

Copyright © 1999-2018 Fender Discussion Page, LLC   All Rights Reserved