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Surfinboy
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Jun 7th, 2018 09:14 PM   Edit   Profile  

I want to get a middle (3rd) pickup in my Tele so I can install a 5-way so I can get 2nd/4th position Strat-like out-of-phase sounds. I just got some Raw Vintage pickups for my Strat and they're great, but they don't make black ones which I'd like if possible. Lindy Fralin makes black Strat middle pickups, but their website there's something about your guitar's polarity you have to know. I'm not an electronics guy and I don't desire to become a wiring nerd, but I want to be sure I get the right thing for my tech. Thoughts/recommendations?

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Jun 7th, 2018 09:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

Buy a Strat or A Nahsville Deluxe.

Te 52

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Jun 7th, 2018 10:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

You can change the color of a Strap pickup just by changing the pickup cover, it's just a loose piece of plastic.

For a middle pickup, I'd recommend a Texas Special Strat middle pickup. That's what Fender used to put in the Nashville Tele before they went to Noiseless. They show up frequently on eBay.

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Jun 8th, 2018 06:33 AM   Edit   Profile  

Fender Texas Special or DiMarzio Red Velvet.

I recently did mine.

Thread here.

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Jun 8th, 2018 08:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

Another great middle pickup for a Tele is a standard Tele neck pickup that's slightly hotter than the neck pickup that's currently in there.

I've never seen this on any other guitars, but I tried it on

this homebrew guitar and it works really well.

Malcolm
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Jun 8th, 2018 01:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

So Peegoo, what was originally in that Ovation?

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Jun 8th, 2018 01:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

That's not an Ovation. I made the body from a slab of poplar, modeled after one of George "The Tone Chaperone" Bradfute's Rearview guitars.

The body shape has a front half shaped like a Jazzmaster, and the back end is...a sort of ellipse.

Webb Wilder with his Bradfute Rearview

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 03:59 PM, Jun 8th, 2018)

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Jun 8th, 2018 02:08 PM   Edit   Profile  

I recently converted a home-built Esquire to a Nashville Tele. I went with Fender Original Vintage for neck and bridge (my favorite Tele set) and added a Tex-Mex reverse-wound Strat middle (a la Jimmy Vaughan.) It is a delightful combination that goes together very nicely and, therefore, I recommend it!

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Jun 8th, 2018 05:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

The one question the OP asked that hasn't been answered is about the polarity.

First Surfinboy, you can identify the polarity of your existing pickups using a simple magnetic compass. Remember, opposites attract.


However, *my* question relative to polarity is:

Isn't this going to be a problem with the existing tele pickups?

If the N & B are already opposite polarity for humbucking in switch position 2 on the 3-way, how do you add a middle pickup and a 5-way switch to get humbucking in position 2 & 4? (without also changing one of the existing pickups)

Doesn't this require a N/S/N or S/N/S configuration to work?

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 07:13 PM, Jun 8th, 2018)

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Jun 8th, 2018 05:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

Even if both original pickups are opposite polarity from one another, you can flip the polarity *electronically* by flipping one of the pickups' hot and ground leads at the switch.

You'll also have to do a bit of surgery on the subject pickup to move the shield/cover connection to the other lead. It's pretty simple.

Flipping the mag poles (removing and replacing), especially on vintage-type pickups, will probably kill the pickup. So that's not an option.

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Jun 8th, 2018 06:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

"...you can flip the polarity *electronically* by flipping one of the pickups' hot and ground leads at the switch."

I thought that only affected phase, not polarity.

Sorry, I guess I'm showing my ignorance here.

Need to go back to school...

Pinetree
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Jun 8th, 2018 08:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

Try not to over-think it.




Te 52

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Jun 8th, 2018 09:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

"...I thought that only affected phase, not polarity..."

That is correct, Mick.

For the Nashville setup, the neck and bridge pickups *must* have the same magnetic polarity. They can both be Norths or both be Souths, but they have to be the same. Then the middle pickup must be opposite magnetic polarity to the other two.

Phase issues are relatively easy to deal with electronically. Magnetic polarity issues not so much. Changing the magnetic polarity of a pickup involves re-magnetizing it or removing the pole pieces and flipping them end-for-end.

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Jun 9th, 2018 08:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

I’m building one now with a set of StewMac Golden Age Tele Pickups and a Dimarzio Virtual Blues. I’m not sure if the Dimarzio will work out, but it’s just laying in a drawer so it’s worth a try.

Mick Reid
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Jun 9th, 2018 07:46 PM   Edit   Profile  

Leftee,
If you're using the the Dimarzio in the middle I don't think you will have any problem with polarity as it is really a humbucker.

I only say this because one of my strats (the one closest at hand) has Fender VN's in it and all 3 show South polarity with my compass.

You may find you need to swap the pos/gnd leads for correct phase as discussed above.

I think it will be more a matter of whether you like the way it sounds.

Also, are you going to wire it so you can still get N & B pickups in the position 3?


Leftee
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Jun 10th, 2018 06:50 AM   Edit   Profile  

Not sure yet.

Surfinboy
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Jun 10th, 2018 08:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

I doubled down on a Lollar Strat Blackface pickup for the middle, plus a word from my tech that he could address any polarity issues. I'll let you know the results!

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Jun 15th, 2018 09:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have a Strat VN in mine. It sounds sweet.

Leftee
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Jun 29th, 2018 06:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

Here's my strategy for the Nashville I’m putting together.

Golden Age Tele pickups. Bridge is north and neck is south.

Middle pickup will be a Golden Age middle pickup from their Strat set. It is north.

I'll rewire the aforementioned bridge pickup - swapping leads on the switch/pot and rewiring the ground to the plate to the positive lead.

Is this correct?

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 10:00 AM, Jun 29th, 2018)

Te 52

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Jun 29th, 2018 09:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

"...I'll rewire the aforementioned bridge pickup - swapping leads on the switch/pot and rewiring the ground to the plate to the positive lead..."

It depends on what you're looking for and what pickup combinations you want to be humbucking.

You will only get humbucking performance between two pickups of opposite magnetic polarity. If you have two norths or two souths, no amount of rewiring will make them humbucking when combined.

So with your proposed SNN set of pickups appropriately wired, you will likely be able to get N+M and N+B to be humbucking, but not M+B.

The most popular configuration for three pickups, including most Nashville setups, is NSN or SNS, that way you can have both N+M and M+B be humbucking with standard Strat switch and wiring.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 11:45 AM, Jun 29th, 2018)

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