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Purple Valley
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Mar 15th, 2018 12:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sure, I also love the smell of hot solder in the morning. It smells like...victory. (He says as he plugs his MIM Strat into his digital modeler and his laptop.) But it would be cool to be able to switch pups on the fly, too.


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Mar 15th, 2018 03:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think that the issue would be standardized connections.

As of right now, we don't have standards for four conductor wire color.

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Mar 15th, 2018 04:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The vast majority of guitar players don't swap pickups around. There's no market for it.

The technical reason is that longer wire lengths in a passive circuit create induction paths that act as antennas to pick up stray RF and cause noise in the signal. Keeping all wires as short as possible mitigates this problem. Using shielding also improves noise rejection.

The practical reason is omitting a connector saves on production (and retail) costs.

Pickup locations and control layouts are not standardized, so pickup makers provide long leads that most always have to be shortened a bit, depending on the application. If a pickup were supplied with a lead length to fit a one specific guitar, it would narrow the market for the pickup.

In an active (battery-powered) circuit like that of most EMG packages, induction is not really an issue due to the low impedance of the circuit. And because the pickups and control boards act as a complete system, plugs make sense.

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Mar 15th, 2018 05:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The ultimate approach to the idea of hot-swapping pickups was conceived in 1969 by Dan Armstrong when he was brought in by Ampeg to design a more modern guitar for the rock and roll masses.

The acrylic/Plexiglas/Perspex body was routed with a little 'scoop' that allowed the player to slide the pickup(s) out of the guitar without removing the strings.

The pickup had no leads; it operated similarly to how a 9v battery slides into a battery box. Terminals on the end of the pickup made contact with terminals in the pickup cavity, and the guitar was ready to go. Ampeg offered five (IIRC) different pickups that were compatible with all the Armstrongs.

Richards and Wyman played these in the Stones for a short while, which helped create buzz for the Ampegs, but that usage didn't last.

Unfortunately, the guitar was a failure for two prime reasons; it was ridiculously heavy, and it could not be easily intonated due to the cheepo Danelectro-style bridge saddle.

I had one in the 80s, mainly because I got a stupid deal on it (the dude needed money). However, I rarely played it. When I sold it in the early 2000s, it was back in vogue because Ampeg was reissuing them (made overseas), and interest in the originals peaked again. I quadrupled my investment. Dumb luck.

You occasionally see some famous rocker strapping one of these on, but it's usually for just one or two songs due to the thing's heft. It's a real boat anchor.

The iconic "see-through" guitar

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Mar 15th, 2018 05:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Encyclopedia Peegooica

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Mar 15th, 2018 05:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just sharing some expedience, is all :oP

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Mar 15th, 2018 05:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just soaking it up, is all. (-:

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Mar 15th, 2018 11:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for the informative answer, Peegoo. My friend has an original Dan Armstrong, from the '60's. It sounds huge, and weighs about 20 pounds. I think Joe Perry still plays his on stage quite a bit.

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Mar 15th, 2018 11:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I traded my for an SG.



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Mar 15th, 2018 02:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Those Dan Armstrong's definitely had some serious cool factor at the time. Heavy, for sure. Cool, absolutely. Enduring and timeless...naaaaaaaaah.

I did get to handle one probably somewhere around 1970, but didn't actually play it through an amp. It had a big wow factor...and then went away.

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Mar 15th, 2018 02:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

About the only guy I know who regularly uses an Ampeg see-through is longtime Georgia Satellites Guitarist Rick Richards, who pulls out a six-string for slide work.

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Mar 15th, 2018 02:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Dave Grohl played one last time I saw him.



Achase4u

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Mar 15th, 2018 03:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I remember George at acme guitar works offering quick connects back about 10 years ago. I thought it was neat...

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Mar 15th, 2018 04:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

IMO the connectors in a snap together quick connect system are a failure waiting for a place to happen.

I enjoy pickup swaps and pride myself in wiring that is better quality and more neatly dressed than factory.

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Mar 15th, 2018 06:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Normans just did a video on this Armstrong plexi and Mark does the pickup swap.

Normans rare guitar of the day

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Mar 15th, 2018 06:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

First Armstrong demo I’ve seen. I like the pup swap idea.

Purple Valley
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Mar 15th, 2018 09:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey, frogman-thanks for the cool Norm's video.

That guy used to annoy me big time, but I think he's getting (a little) better.

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Mar 16th, 2018 05:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you look carefully at that see-through in the video, you'll notice it wasn't PRS who invented that treble-cutaway relief on the front of the body.

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Mar 16th, 2018 12:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've done it on my Epi Dot Pro.

Even though I'm getting pretty good at removing and installing wiring harnesses in semi-hollow body guitars, its still a pita and time consuming.

I got my connectors from the hobby shop down the street, the smaller ones for RC cars as and planes.

Should I decide to change the pickups, it saves a lot of time.

On a solid body guitar, nah, I'll go the straight solder route.

Purple Valley
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Mar 16th, 2018 01:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Personally, I enjoy the whole soldering process, though I have to make time for it, and am still learning not to be sloppy. It is cool that there is still this "old school," craftsman quality to guitar playing--especially Fenders, being so simple and basic to work with.

The point of the thread was really about "snap and go" being universal.

I still hate changing strings, though.

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