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Purple Valley
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Mar 14th, 2018 04:44 PM   Edit   Profile  

Are we there yet? Why do we still have to solder? Is there a downside to modular, snap-in pups?

I'm pretty sure there's a way to convert your guitar to 'snap together' connectors, but my question is, why haven't all guitar and pickup manufacturers gone this way by now?

You'd think, at least, they'd sell a lot more pickups that way--and way less solder.

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Mar 14th, 2018 04:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

GFS offers this now.

Mick Reid
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Mar 14th, 2018 04:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

What Leftee said.
They have their "Kwik-Plug" system available with most if not all their pickups.

AFAIK, none the major brands offer this. However, I think I've seen a kit somewhere to retrofit to a plug system.

On my current build, I'm toying around with a way to connect all the ground wire with one pair of small blade connectors.


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Leopards
Mar 14th, 2018 06:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

Duncan has offered this for a few years too, as well as EMG (much longer).

Pinetree
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Mar 14th, 2018 06:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

Blasphemy.




Purple Valley
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Mar 14th, 2018 07:11 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yes, but it would make a big difference if it was universal. Just wondering if there's some technical reason. I realize companies like Fender still use pickups as a big part of their marketing of different models. Making them easier to switch would cut into that. Or maybe it's just not that big a deal to most players. Still, the soldering business seems a little outdated at this point.


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Mar 14th, 2018 07:57 PM   Edit   Profile  

But, it's so much fun to solder.

Mick Reid
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Mar 14th, 2018 08:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Blasphemy."

Piney says:

"I'll give you my soldering iron when you pry it from my cold, dead hands."


Purple Valley
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Mar 15th, 2018 12:13 AM   Edit   Profile  

Sure, I also love the smell of hot solder in the morning. It smells like...victory. (He says as he plugs his MIM Strat into his digital modeler and his laptop.) But it would be cool to be able to switch pups on the fly, too.


Pinetree
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Mar 15th, 2018 03:34 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think that the issue would be standardized connections.

As of right now, we don't have standards for four conductor wire color.

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Leopards
Mar 15th, 2018 04:55 AM   Edit   Profile  

The vast majority of guitar players don't swap pickups around. There's no market for it.

The technical reason is that longer wire lengths in a passive circuit create induction paths that act as antennas to pick up stray RF and cause noise in the signal. Keeping all wires as short as possible mitigates this problem. Using shielding also improves noise rejection.

The practical reason is omitting a connector saves on production (and retail) costs.

Pickup locations and control layouts are not standardized, so pickup makers provide long leads that most always have to be shortened a bit, depending on the application. If a pickup were supplied with a lead length to fit a one specific guitar, it would narrow the market for the pickup.

In an active (battery-powered) circuit like that of most EMG packages, induction is not really an issue due to the low impedance of the circuit. And because the pickups and control boards act as a complete system, plugs make sense.

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Leopards
Mar 15th, 2018 05:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

The ultimate approach to the idea of hot-swapping pickups was conceived in 1969 by Dan Armstrong when he was brought in by Ampeg to design a more modern guitar for the rock and roll masses.

The acrylic/Plexiglas/Perspex body was routed with a little 'scoop' that allowed the player to slide the pickup(s) out of the guitar without removing the strings.

The pickup had no leads; it operated similarly to how a 9v battery slides into a battery box. Terminals on the end of the pickup made contact with terminals in the pickup cavity, and the guitar was ready to go. Ampeg offered five (IIRC) different pickups that were compatible with all the Armstrongs.

Richards and Wyman played these in the Stones for a short while, which helped create buzz for the Ampegs, but that usage didn't last.

Unfortunately, the guitar was a failure for two prime reasons; it was ridiculously heavy, and it could not be easily intonated due to the cheepo Danelectro-style bridge saddle.

I had one in the 80s, mainly because I got a stupid deal on it (the dude needed money). However, I rarely played it. When I sold it in the early 2000s, it was back in vogue because Ampeg was reissuing them (made overseas), and interest in the originals peaked again. I quadrupled my investment. Dumb luck.

You occasionally see some famous rocker strapping one of these on, but it's usually for just one or two songs due to the thing's heft. It's a real boat anchor.

The iconic "see-through" guitar

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Mar 15th, 2018 05:34 AM   Edit   Profile  

Encyclopedia Peegooica

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Peegoo
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Leopards
Mar 15th, 2018 05:46 AM   Edit   Profile  

Just sharing some expedience, is all :oP

Leftee
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Mar 15th, 2018 05:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

Just soaking it up, is all. (-:

Purple Valley
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Mar 15th, 2018 11:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the informative answer, Peegoo. My friend has an original Dan Armstrong, from the '60's. It sounds huge, and weighs about 20 pounds. I think Joe Perry still plays his on stage quite a bit.

Pinetree
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Mar 15th, 2018 11:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

I traded my for an SG.



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Mar 15th, 2018 02:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

Those Dan Armstrong's definitely had some serious cool factor at the time. Heavy, for sure. Cool, absolutely. Enduring and timeless...naaaaaaaaah.

I did get to handle one probably somewhere around 1970, but didn't actually play it through an amp. It had a big wow factor...and then went away.

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Leopards
Mar 15th, 2018 02:43 PM   Edit   Profile  

About the only guy I know who regularly uses an Ampeg see-through is longtime Georgia Satellites Guitarist Rick Richards, who pulls out a six-string for slide work.

Pinetree
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Mar 15th, 2018 02:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

Dave Grohl played one last time I saw him.



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