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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / String tree (s)

bongo122819
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Mar 7th, 2018 02:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Opinions welcome........

Does adding a 2nd tree for the G & D strings make much of a sound difference?
(I don't use the whammy much at all).
It seems trees are usually sold in 2-pack.

My MIM strat has a single tree and sounds OK to me.

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Mar 7th, 2018 07:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As long as your 3rd and/or 4th strings aren't rattling or buzzing it's doubtful that you would be able to hear a difference. Unless, of course you're Eric Johnson. :)

Te 52

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Mar 7th, 2018 08:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What the string tree does is increase the downforce or downbearing on the nut. Symptoms of insufficient downbearing are weak, fuzzy tone, lack of volume and lack of sustain on the open strings. If you don't have those problems, you shouldn't need a string tree.

An experiment you can try is to pluck an open string, then press the string down behind the nut and pluck it again. You'll get a pitch change, of course, but ignore that and just concentrate on the *quality* of the tone. If the tone is noticeably louder, clearer and stronger when it's pressed down, a string tree is worth considering.

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Mar 8th, 2018 03:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't think a string tree on the D and G strings is necessary or desireable in any way. MOST Fender guitars, indeed most guitars of ANY brand, don't have one. There is no tonal benefit and it's a source of friction that can only negatively affect tuning stability.

On the B and E string the string tree is necessar. With those tuner posts so far away from the nut the descending angle as the strings leave the nut to the tuners is not sufficient to stop the strings popping out of their slots.

SonicBlue

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Mar 8th, 2018 04:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It depends on how much you pay for them.

If they're cheap they'll make little to no difference. If they're realy really expensive you'll hear a massive change ;-)

bongo122819
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Mar 8th, 2018 07:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

thanks for the input.
Guess for now I'll take the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" route.

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Mar 8th, 2018 08:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

FYI.....

Reverend Triple Tree

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Mar 8th, 2018 05:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

FWIW, I have always put two trees on my strats.

IME even with a perfectly cut nut, I've had sonic weirdness (resonance) above the nut from the G string.
The D string would probably be fine, but since they're made for 2 strings, that's what you get.
(exception for the Reverend ones above!)

Also there have been times in Fender's production where strats came stock with 2.

Probably worth noting that I don't use my vibrato and always deck it or block it. (or both)
If I was a whammy guy, I might have a different opinion.
I have never had staggered tuners either, so that's a factor as well.

YMMV


Te 52

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Mar 9th, 2018 09:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mick makes an interesting point. On some Fenders, especially Teles, the distance from the nut to the tuning post on the G string is *exactly* one fifth of the scale length. Depending on the cut of the nut, this can cause that theoretically "non-speaking" stretch of string to vibrate like crazy at the fifth partial -- that's a B just shy of two octaves above middle C -- when the open G string is played. This usually doesn't show up in the amplified signal, but it is heard acoustically, and can be annoying.

Can be solved by putting a piece of foram between the string and headstock, but a second string tree will kill it too, so that's another reason you might consider adding one.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 12:05 AM, Mar 10th, 2018)

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