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FDP Forum / FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Martin 00L-17, whiskey sunburst

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pronounced "Klinkhammer" in French
Mar 6th, 2018 11:22 AM   Edit   Profile  

Git outta my head!

Anyone have/try one? Tell me they suck.

Actually, if anything does chase me off it'll be the 1 3/4" nut. Nice for pickin' but I prefer narrower for strumming.

If I had more cash I'd seriously look at an M36. Them are beauts.

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North Florida

A Friend of Bill W.
Mar 6th, 2018 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

Small guitars are the ones that draw me in. I haven’t owned a dread since the 70s. My largest is the Martin 000-15S, others a mid 80s Yamaha classical and a Martin 00-15 which is my favorite acoustic, all others have to measure up to this one, I haven’t purchased any other acoustics since I picked it up in the late 90s.

Take a look at the Guild M-20.

You can kind of save money by finding one that you like so much that others just don’t seem to cut it “o)

Hope that helps. The 00-15 was less than half of what they are going for today and it’s solid mahogany.

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So. Cal. USA

Mar 6th, 2018 12:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

A total sweetheart of a guitar. I played one at an LA area dealer, right handed and a 12 fret however. I liked it better than the dreads they had in stock.

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pronounced "Klinkhammer" in French
Mar 6th, 2018 12:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

My only acoustic is a Martin D17-M, a cannon of a guitar. It really has been the most stable acoustic I've ever owned. When I bought it 5 years ago I was hard pressed not to snag a 000-15M that just spoke to me. But since most of the stuff I do involves strumming cowboy chords I chose the D17-M.

I don't believe the "L" implies lefty, does it?

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I say stuff
Mar 6th, 2018 01:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

The L is for Klinkhammer.

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So. Cal. USA

Mar 6th, 2018 01:37 PM   Edit   Profile  

I get you left handed guys mixed up and made the wrong assumption I guess. So sorry.. Klinkhammer?

I prolly should have bought the 00-17 I played but had my heart set on a dread to use in my acoustic duo. I just couldn't find a Martin dread that tripped my trigger however that flame does still burn even after a Taylor dread purchase.

Too many interesting guitars(& cameras) and too little money! :-)

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Who's we sucka?

Smith, Wesson and me.
Mar 6th, 2018 04:11 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Martin 00-15 which is my favorite ..."

I played one years ago at a Sam Ash. I kick myself for not buying it. If I didn't already have two nice Martins I'd buy one.

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Santee CA

I forgot my tagline
Mar 6th, 2018 07:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Tell me they suck"

They suck.

You're welcome.

pappy van winkle


Mar 9th, 2018 12:03 PM   Edit   Profile  

I bought an 00-15 almost 3 years ago. it's the first good acoustic that I ever owned....I love it....the small body size is perfect for me and the strings ring out fantastically.......it has very much changed the way I play...I'm way more focused on fingerstyle now.

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State of Jefferson

Apr 10th, 2018 09:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

My first guitar in 1961 was a 1939 Martin 00-17.
Purchased for $4 (fourdollars) Played it for a few years then stolen.

Fine guitar, 1 3/4 nut. The MAS (the minimum acceptable standard)

The newer 00-17 models are nothing like the old ones.

I ordered a custom from Martin in 2011.. 00-17 with the highest grades of mahogany, one piece neck, tortoise binding, ebony fingerboard and bridge, scalloped forward shifted braces, 1 3/4 nut, 2 5/16ths bridge spacing, ribbons on the inside (like they used to do) absolutely top of the line.. Big dough.
They screwed it up. neck off by 5-7%.. neck not centered on the body, High E 1/16th from the edge.. the low E about 1/4 from the edge. They shifted the bridge to the center of the strings , not the body, and clipped 1/4 " off the end of the bridge to make it look like it was centered. They offset the pins to compensate,. It was a mess.

I waited 11 months for this and that is what I got. They already screwed up one custom order and had the guitar for over a year whole this one was being made, but that is another story.

The 00-017 custom was sent back. They said it needed a new top, bridge and neck, fingerboard, frets etc and it would take 11 months to fix. Given they already screwed up my D-18SV custom and it was still there , I declined and accepted a refund. They destroyed it as unrepairable.
(after they told me they could fix it .. weasel words)

As a result of Martin's handling of these two back to back failures, I sold all but one of my Martins and vowed to never buy another new one and put any money into CFM IV's pocket.. (I given I designed the CEO-5 and he took credit which was the cherry on the top.. yes I have written documented proof straight from the UMGF archives)

I have a 0000-1 from 1997 (my second) this is one of 370 made... Though narrow nutted at 1 11/16th, (I tune down and capo at the second fret) it is a fine guitar with huge widely spaced grain on the top (my favorite) and absolutely top of the line mahogany and east Indian bridge and fingerboard they have not used in years.

I also have a 2015 00-18V with flamed mahogany backs and sides and a killer silked perfectly quartered top which I bought about 3 months ago from McKenzie River Music in Eugene, Or. (excellent store) . Flawless, and I bought it virtually unplayed. I have not played this much as I just got it back from having it properly set up (something Martin has yet to learn to execute) . I have a feeling we may not bond, but I'll give it a chance.

What I really wanted was the 00-17 Custom I ordered.. Too bad they just can't seem to put a neck on correctly. 6-of 9 Martins I have purchased since 2000 have had serious problems, some so bad Martin destroyed them when returned. This 6 unit batch of flawed guitars included D-18SV and the 00-17 custom, an SPD-16 custom with ebony bits, and a 2003 D-18GE.

I played dreads for years along with other body styles. Love the dread sound, not the size except the S bodies 12 fretters.

So far, my favorites are 00 and 0000/M and 12 fret S dreds 0s, 00s, and 000s bodied units with wide nuts. I do not care for OMs as the wimpy abbreviated pickguard is hideous.

I bought a new 000-15 when they first came out, matter of fact is was the third made.. mine was all flamed mahogany with extremely dark bridge and fingerboard.. later very plain and grey washed out fingerboards and bridges. Sold it because of the narrow, 1 11/6ths nut.

I owned a 1959 Guild M-20 Ghost label. Better than the Martin 00-17 but a 1 5/8ths nut.. offed it.

If I had the dosh, I'd buy a Santa Cruz Eric Skye with mahogany backs and sides, 1 13/16ths nut width and a 00 body. Maybe I'll just make something similar when I get out of Dopeville and have the time.

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 07:39 PM, Apr 11th, 2018)



Jun 25th, 2018 03:25 AM   Edit   Profile  

Fortunately, littleuch, they DON'T suck. I bought the 00L-17 about a month ago, and I have not been able to put it down since. It's a terrific guitar. An articulate bass, a resonant mid-range, strong, clear trebles. A surprising amount of volume and projection. A very comfortable neck. Takes well to both fingerstyle playing and a flatpick.

Considering the price, it's both a steal AND a bargain. I'm thrilled with mine.

... JT

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State of Jefferson

Sep 26th, 2018 05:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

"The Martin 00L-17 acoustic guitar has the popular Grand Concert body that has been a favorite among performing guitarists for many decades. Its body delivers rich low end, while giving each note a powerful midrange that cuts right through an ensemble. The neck joins the body at the 14th fret for a total scale length just over 24.5". And the neck is built with Martin's Modified Low Oval profile with High Performance Taper to appeal to moder player's demands.

Sonically rich wood combination

The mahogany, spruce, and rosewood wood combination used on the 00L-17 is exceptionally popular for the way it balances warmth, detail, and a wide frequency response. The solid Sitka spruce top offers great stiffness-to-weight ratio to get maximum volume and power from your strings. The solid mahogany back and sides ensure your tone stays even across the frequency range, while delivering plenty of warmth. And the rosewood fretboard also contributes to the rich harmonic warmth of the guitar.

Streamlined appearance

Both modern players who want a striking-looking instrument and lovers of vintage Martins will love the straight-forward appearance of the 00L-17. The guitar's minimal fretboard inlays and simple ivoroid binding and pickguard give it the look of a well-loved prize from the pre-war era. And Martin's Whiskey Sunset satin finish helps enhance the tone of the guitar by letting the woods move and breath naturally. Now you can buy a brand-new Martin from Sweetwater and get a pre-war Martin experience.

"Martin 00L-17 Sloped Shoulder Grand Concert Acoustic Guitar Features:
Vintage-style acoustic guitar
Solid mahogany back and sides
Solid Sitka spruce top
Bone string nut and compensated saddle
Neck joins the body at the 14th fret
Compact body for a clear and focused sound"

By definition, a 17 model has a Mahogany top.. they are stretching the definition.

It is NOT a slope shoulder. Slope Shoulders are 12 Fret dreds such as the D-18S, D-28S, D-35 S etc
14 Fretters are not Slope Shouldered unless you are buying a Gibson or Gibson Clone. Of course one of the CEO (Collosal Ego Opus) Martins was copied from a Gibson and had slope shoulders in the shape of a Gibson, not a Martin 12 fret sloper.

The scale is not 24.5 but 24.9.

Just the usual incorrect blather.

I'll be going into the local GC next week ( to check out a Godin Archtop I saw a couple weeks ago.) I'll check out the 00L-16/18 ( averaged that comes out to 17.. new math for the Martin Corp)

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 10:36 AM, Sep 27th, 2018)

reverend mikey
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N of I-90, E of I-29

You're old. Then vintage. Then good!
Oct 2nd, 2018 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Actually, Martin makes a couple different models of these 00 "Whiskey" guitars: the 12-fret model is designated as 00s and the 14 fret model is 00L. According to Martin they're both short scale (24.9").

Then there's the 000-17 "Whiskey" - also 14 frets to the body, but short scale (like 000 bodied Martins are supposed to be). I played one of these that actually sounded very good. I've played a couple of the others that didn't impress me much - but they might get better with age.

Also, they come in two finishes:
"Whiskey Sunset" (a satin sunburst), and
"Whiskey Black Smoke" (satin black top)

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