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Rick Knight
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St Peters, MO USA

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Mar 1st, 2018 09:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I’ve used an Eden e300t tube head and a 410 cabinet for several years. It has worked well, but both of them appear to have gained weight over time. A while back, I used my backup, a Little Mark III, when a preamp tube went out and was surprised that the rest of the band thought it sounded just as good. I disagree, but it made me wonder whether continuing to carry around a tube head in my Social Security years was really worthwhile. So I sold a Les Paul Studio that I never bonded with and bought another used Little Mark III and two used GK CX210s.

The heads weigh 7 lbs. each and, because both are the same model, dialing in the backup should be no problem if a switch on the fly is ever needed. The cabs weigh 37 lbs. each and, because using them together creates a 4 ohm load, the head is supposed to produce 500 watts instead of 300. Should a cabinet crap out, I could finish a gig with the other one and, while it may never be needed, I have the option to run each head to one cabinet at 300 watts x2.

So far, I like it. It seems like a good plan in theory and will hopefully work in practice.

(This message was last edited by Rick Knight at 10:34 PM, Mar 1st, 2018)

themaestro
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Mar 1st, 2018 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"but both of them appear to have gained weight over time". HA! I see I am not alone.

Going modular has distinct advantages. Small gig or lots of PA support? just bring one cabinet.

As to your bandmates not noticing much difference, I find that mostly it is just the player that really cares, as long as it doesn't sound BAD to your band members. Also, once the full band kicks in, and the sound guys boosts your lows, there is so much masking going on that subtle differences kind of disappear.



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Mar 1st, 2018 11:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I’ve had my Old Guy rig for awhile now. The GB Shuttle 9.0 rated at 500w into 8 ohm and 900w into 4 ohm. A SWR GoLite 2 X 10 at around 38 lbs. Then I built the Home Depot 2 X 8 fretless that’s just a bit over 4 lbs. I use other basses from time to time that fo up to over 13 lbs.

If I need more power I just add another 8 ohm speaker cab, either the SWR 4 X 10 or the Hartke 15”

Lite is good “o)

Home Depot 2 X 8

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Mar 1st, 2018 05:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you're older like I am, once you go lighter you never go back, even though lighter may not always sound better.

George

digiboy

New York City

Mar 1st, 2018 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What a coincidence! My amps and P basses have all gained weight too! I picked up a slim n' trim Dano Short-horn bass. My plan was just to use it on gigs where I have to carry the bass any distance. Ended up kinda falling in love with the sound and feel and have been using it almost exclusively. I even picked up another one on the cheap for backup.
And similar to your plan, I've gone modular with a Markbass Littlemark top and 2 Aguilar 1x12's. For smaller gigs my GK MB150 1x12 also does great. For the real light duty gigs, I grabbed a used 15 pound Markbass 801 that continues to amaze me with it's low end.
Really great that all these new lightweight bass designs have appeared in the last few years.

L. Nedmundo

Philadelphia

Mar 1st, 2018 06:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Unbeknownst to me at the time, I began building my "old guy" rig years ago when I bought a G-K Neo112 cab as, in theory, a small gig alternative/backup to my 89 lb. SWR Goliath III 4x10. I was nervous at the first gig at a club in Greenwich Village where I'd used the SWR a few times, but that little G-K cab totally rocked. I was amazed by how much it could deliver, and it was more than enough with good PA support.

I soon found it could cover just about any of my gigs on its own, and knew the SWR's days were numbered. I used the SWR for a couple of really loud shows, but the G-K sufficed for most, and I loved the tone. So, when I found out the first generation G-K Neo cabs were being discontinued, I immediately bought another and sold the SWR.

For years, I resisted the temptation of the ultra-light Class D heads, because my G-K 700RB-II sounded so fantastic. Plus, I wasn't getting old, right? But then I got hit with a massive hernia and needed surgery, so the day before heading into the hospital I ordered an MB-500. Four pounds. It's amazing. In A/B testing, it doesn't sound quite as good as the 700RB-II, but it still sounds awesome, and in a band mix there's little difference.

And thus the transformation into "old guy" rig was complete. I haven't used the 700RB-II in years, and I've only used both Neo112 cabs for ONE show! (This is largely because my main band for ten years often played shows with huge supplied rigs. Many of those would have required both 1x12" cabs.) I will be bringing both to a show next month, but doubt I'll need more than one.

I'm almost always traveling light for gigs -- and I like it!

rwb

Canada

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Mar 1st, 2018 10:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Digiboy, are the Dano Shorthorn repros the same as the old ones from the 60's? I've never seen any repros except the longhorn... I have a 1962 Shorthorn, and I'd be interested in what you've tried fro strings on yours. Mine was very uneven, with the D string always louder no matter what I did with pickup height. Then, I broke all the rules and put a really old set of TI-Flats on it (taking a chance on cutting them down off an old P bass) .... and they are really sweet (and being TI's will probably go another 10 years!)
A real upright bass kind of tone...

Sorry to highjack the "Old Guy Rig" thread....

My old guy rig is all Quilter, total of 62 pounds, 2 tens in one cab, one twelve in the other cabinet....800 watt head built-in wherever I put it...carry the whole thing up a flight of stairs....


Tony Wright
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Mar 1st, 2018 10:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

After reading a post made by my friend, the Maestro, that discussed small size bass rigs and transport and weight issues, I picked up a used Eden EX110 cabinet (25 lbs, 300 Watts at 4 Ohms) to mate with my Ampeg PF350 class D amp head (8 lbs, 200 Watts at 8 Ohms; 350 Watts at 4 Ohms).

The EX110 is available as either an 8 Ohm cabinet or a 4 Ohm cabinet, both rated for 300 Watts.

I ordered a used 4 Ohm cabinet from GC online because I wanted to pull as much power as I could IF I needed that many dB at one of our gigs.

We primarily play private house parties and small venues like coffee shops or wine bars...acoustic electric 2 piece or three piece when we bring in percussion. Mostly Americana, Red Dirt country/rock, soft rock from 60s-70s, and folk music.

We played a local saloon on NYE 2017/18 and using my PF350/EX110 rig, I had plenty to hang with the guitarist to be heard over a rowdy audience of around 130-150ish without PA support that night.

I had a fair amount of surfing to find the EX110 via the FDP, which leads me to suspect it may be discontinued. But, as I said, I found it at Guitar Center dot com/used so I was able to route thru that approach.

In an A/B test with the same Ampeg PF350 amp head into an 8 Ohm 300 Watt Ampeg SVT210AV cabinet compared to running thru the Eden EX110 4 Ohm cabinet, the Eden was louder and had more punch.

Geezer bass rigs...hired gun (with thinning gray hair), will travel.

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HeavyDuty
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Mar 2nd, 2018 06:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I moved to a smaller modular rig a few years ago.

I ended up with a G-K MB500 as my main head with a MB200 as a backup. I have a lightweight G-K Neo 4x10 that I prefer, but I also have a pair of G-K Neo 1x12s. Lastly, I still have a small G-K MB150E-112 combo.

I’m pretty well covered!

L. Nedmundo

Philadelphia

Mar 2nd, 2018 07:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I also like those Eden 1x10 cabs. I've tested basses through them, and they sound great.

The Hartke Hy-Drive 1x12 is another excellent small cab, with switchable impedance (4 or 8 ohms), which is a mightily cool feature for those contemplating "old guy" rigs. If I weren't so happy with my G-K gear, I'd consider downsizing to my Roland combo with one of these.

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Mar 2nd, 2018 08:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know a lot of fellas that were hesitant to go to a smaller rig but the new Class D amps can really carry strong low end frequencies because they have such a fast recovery rate and the amps don't saturate like others and stay clean at high volume. Bass players are getting some really nice options these days for compact rigs and the amps don't suffer the same ills of old. The dynamics, tone and volume are all there and when paired up with some Neo cabs, you have a light weight, gut wrenching rig! Nice!

digiboy

New York City

Mar 3rd, 2018 01:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

@rwb:
I'm a lefty. My Dano Shorthorn is a lefty Korean reissue from late 90's I believe. (got it used from Reverb). I have no experience with an original 60's model to compare. As said before, I like it a lot. Local shop did some tweaking for me, truss rod adjust and setup and replaced the bridge with a better made OEM (they are prone to sagging in the middle) and replaced the input jack. TI flats have been my go to strings on all my basses. They sound great on the Dano. I also use a foam mute. The Dano is ultra stable now, stays in tune like my P basses, even with big temperature changes during winter.

The Korean Dano reissues are considered to be very well made. I still see the lefty Shorthorn models pop up on Ebay and Reverb, I imagine righty models would be even easier to find.

Getting back on topic, I often carry the Dano to gigs on my bicycle. Carrying a P bass like that and playing gigs was giving me back and shoulder aches. The Dano made a huge difference to this old timer.

Rick Knight
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St Peters, MO USA

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Mar 3rd, 2018 08:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've enjoyed everyone’s descriptions, pics and comments.

It never occurred to me that someone could build an instrument out of 2x8s, but it looks great.

digiboy, what does the shorthorn weigh?

I like the idea of a grab and go 1x10, but don't know if it would really be used enough to justify the purchase.

darrellsteely

Dayton,OH

Mar 3rd, 2018 08:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I love my Fender Rumble 500C. Only weighs 37# and is 350 watts all by itself. Seems louder than that though. When I'm feeling rambunctious I bring along the other 210 cab and watch out. Those two, together kick some serious butt! My 6# Streamliner head along with the 210 are a great change of pace. Recently picked up a Zoom B3N and it fits in the gig bag with the Genz and adds a nice flavor to that set up. How did we ever drag around 810 cabs back in the day? I guess we did what we had to do. Sometimes progress is a good thing.

Rick Knight
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Mar 3rd, 2018 09:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"How did we ever drag around 810 cabs back in the day? I guess we did what we had to do."

Indeed. My late 70s band also had a Hammond B2, a Leslie cabinet and a 2 ton truck with no lift gate. Somehow, the guy who played the B2 never seemed to be present when we lifted them in or out of the truck.

themaestro
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Mar 3rd, 2018 09:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mr. Steely,

I just recently got a Zoom B3n, also. It is replacing a Boss ME-20B + FS-5U switch pedal (for bank switching). So far I like it. It is smaller, don't need the extra switch, has amp and cab sims that I didn't have before. I don't miss the volume/wah rocker part of the 20B. I never used it except as an on/off volume switch.

The only band I use the pedal with is a cover band. For church, big band and other stuff. I go straight to the amp.

For the cover band, I use a Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 and an Avatar B212. For everything else, I have been using a Carvin MB210. If I have a really small acoustic type thing, I use a Carvin MB10, which weighs almost nothing.

darrellsteely

Dayton,OH

Mar 3rd, 2018 09:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bob, an effects pedal is new to me. I always plugged straight in and let 'er rip. The learning curve on this thing may be a little long, but so far I like what I can find with the presets. One of these days I'll get to reading the manual. Instructions? I don't need no stinkin' instructions! Yeah, old habits die hard.

digiboy

New York City

Mar 3rd, 2018 09:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"How did we ever drag around 810 cabs"

If I had the space to store it and a handful o' roadies to move it everywhere, I'd still never play through anything but an SVT rig!

"digiboy, what does the shorthorn weigh?"

I've never weighed my Dano Shorthorns. You could probably look it up somewhere. I doubt there is much variation in weight from one to another since they are all made from the same materials. It's certainly lighter than most any P bass. That much I can tell.

Laker

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Mar 3rd, 2018 01:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What I’ve used as my “old guy rig” has been an Eden WTX500 into a TC Electronics 210 cabinet. It’s a very light weight, nice sounding setup, but doesn’t perform well in any setting other than a cocktail lounge.

For regular gigs I’ve gone back to using my Aguilar DB680 into a Crown K2 driving one (or two if needed) EA VL210 cabinet. It’s not as cumbersome as the days of using a Sunn Model T powering two folded horn 18 cabinets, and with the addition of a collapsible cart it’s fairly easy to handle DB680/K2 rig.

Bubbalou

USA

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Mar 6th, 2018 08:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I am another old guy whose amp and cabs got much lighter.
GB streamliner 600 (600 Watts RMS into 4ohm load) and 2 - 1 x 12 GK cabs that I put Eminence Kappalite 3012 HO Neo Speakers in.
Head 6lbs and each cab 32lbs. Me and my back are much happier

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