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professor
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Feb 26th, 2018 09:47 AM   Edit   Profile  

+1 HeavyDuty -

"Navy. He can always transition to private later, and his Navy experience will make him more valuable"


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Feb 26th, 2018 09:50 AM   Edit   Profile  

I'd go Navy. I did the dream job with a fortune 500 company thing and it fizzled out 8 years later with a down size. They later went BK leaving me with none of my vested benefits.

Jobs with big companies can be volatile. Your either in with the in crowd or your not and that can change very quickly. It doesn't matter how good you are, your screwed. If a VP or manager above you falls out of favor you may be done or suffer a major setback. Your division may be sold to a corporate raider then shut down. Navy all the way.

HeavyDuty
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Feb 26th, 2018 11:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

“The Navy base he would be working at is in BFE Indiana”

Assuming we’re talking Crane, Bloomington is a nice small city.

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Feb 26th, 2018 12:52 PM   Edit   Profile  

Safe Play - Navy

Smart Play - Diesel Engine Manufacturer

But then, I personally couldn't work for the government. After all of his time served, he knows what direction is best for him.


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Feb 26th, 2018 02:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

I agree. IF he likes working in the Government Service, then I think the Navy would be a better choice. Private industry is just so fickle and and can change at any time. Plus benefits keep getting worse. Congrats on a son well raised!

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Feb 26th, 2018 02:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have no experience with the Navy, but I’ve worked with a bunch of engineers trained by the Navy and these guy and gals have some of the best education I’ve ever seen. All of them were freaking amazing and learned fast, I enjoyed working with them.

If the job or technology changes the Navy traines it’s own to cover it. Private sector may find it more expidiant to fire and hire.

Nice dilemma by the way.

(This message was last edited by hushnel at 04:14 PM, Feb 26th, 2018)

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Feb 26th, 2018 05:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

A diesel engine OEM is not a slam dunk career these days. A lot of change is slamming in to these old industries.

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Feb 26th, 2018 06:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

Stay NAVY. He'll be a Marine forever and he may enjoy being around other vets. Many veterans become depressed when they get out and find themselves unable to find people who can relate to their experiences.

Money probably trumps all that, but it is a facet to be considered.

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Feb 26th, 2018 07:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

While I assume the answer...I have to ask the question:

"Navy civilian employee"?

"Navy enlisted employee"?

"Navy officer employee"?

He would need to make his promotions and such requirements in order to stay in until he reaches a total of 20 years. Otherwise, if the Navy suffered a severe budget cut.....well, it is possible for active duty military to get laid off due to budget or failure to progress.

That said, if he has his previous seniority back as well as a bump in rank/pay...10 years until retirement at age 40 would be nice.

I would assume he would have limited sea duty...maybe field trials? No LONG absence from wife and son...

I suppose our recommendations only serve to validate your opinion...the question is "what does your son and his family want?"


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Feb 26th, 2018 09:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think the poster above put it best. If stability matters then you go with the government. But you pay a price for that too. Your life is mapped out for you and that's not everybody's cup of tea.

It is the same with every career move and it's not just government vs private sector.

I will go against the stream. Get out of any job where you have a salary and a boss immediately and go into business for yourself. Be your own boss. Do what you would do for nothing and do it well and life will turn out better than any other option.

I wouldn't take a salaried job ever.

But that's me.

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Feb 27th, 2018 03:50 AM   Edit   Profile  

I work for the government as well as myself. It is great to have the stability as a back up.

My brother’s wife did her navy time and got her training for civilian life. It certainly set her up well.

Sounds like navy would be the smart move.

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Feb 27th, 2018 05:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

Navy civilian employee, is the answer. I believe.

He did say it was not a GS designation.

He did not make it clear, I'll ask him again.

I'm of the understanding he would be stationed permanently in the Indiana base area, doing design work.



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Feb 27th, 2018 06:22 AM   Edit   Profile  

Today's Headline: German court opens the way for bans of diesel vehicles

They pollute too much ...

Leftee
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Feb 27th, 2018 06:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

Gene nails it.

Tony Wright
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Feb 27th, 2018 06:56 AM   Edit   Profile  

It is our job as parents to "ask questions" that make the kids think about unintended consequences. Then, they should be able to make the right decision and not be surprised by some unforeseen issue in 5 months or 5 years...or at age 50 and starts looking at his contract to discover he is not eligible for some expected benefits upon retirement.

I am NOT suggesting he decline the Navy job. But, if you are unsure if it will be a civilian or enlisted or officer employment, maybe he does not know himself...as a parent, it is better to ask those questions.




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Feb 27th, 2018 08:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

"He did say it was not a GS designation."

That's because engineers don't fall under the "GS" pay scale for the most part. I believe an engineer position would fall under the "WG" scale.

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Feb 27th, 2018 05:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

Engineers are GS scale. I am a retired fed, 32 years as an engineer for the Navy. I was never bored, and have a good retirement.

Once you are in the fed service, there are jobs worldwide that you can qualify for.

The pay may be less for an equivalent job in the private sector, but job security lessens the difference.


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Feb 28th, 2018 07:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

I talked with him more about it yesterday. He is set on Cummings.

I tend to agree with the FDP. I asked all the questions, he had answers. I don't think he is looking at the future. He already has a medical retirement in effect today, till he dies. So the retirement benefits are not a priority.

He says it is a DOD job, I don't see the difference,.

He graduates in May.

Leftee
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Feb 28th, 2018 07:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

All the best to him! Two excellent opportunities!

BTW - "Cummins" (-;

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Feb 28th, 2018 08:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

I don’t think I would put my faith in Cummins...

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