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5Strats
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Feb 15th, 2018 06:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The other band I'm playing in requires a higher gain guitar sound. Amp heads set on higher gain channels and pedals (such as the Friedman BE OD) create substantial noise, even with the guitar's volume control set at zero.

I've NEVER used a noise gate or other noise reduction in my l-o-n-g career, but I think I may need one now.

Qs:
(1) what are some good choices for such pedals?

(2) where are noise reduction pedals placed in the chain (assuming a pedal is used for distortion and it's placed in front of the amp, not in the FX loop)?

TANKS! (:oD

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Feb 15th, 2018 07:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Is this for the JP gig?

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Feb 15th, 2018 08:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I tried a Boss Noise Suppressor and nixed it right away. It does reduce the noise but also it chokes off all the soft notes and a lot of the decay.

Quick question--are you running both the gain from the amp and gain the pedal? That's a ton of compression to raise the noise floor.

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Feb 15th, 2018 08:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

PS--I gave a listen to the GospelBilly stuff in your website. I love the fat tone. I'm surprised that isn't good enough for the new band too.

ejm

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Feb 15th, 2018 08:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Suggestion #1: Search this forum for the topic.
It has been covered several times.

Suggestion #2: Just from casual observation, and not a deep dive into really high gain applications, I get the impression that a lot of guys use a noise gate/suppressor in the effects loop of the amp. I have seen a few Peavey 5150 guys do this.

Suggestion #3: Noiseless/humbucking pickups can go a long way towards solving any noise issues. Start with a quiet signal first. The noise/buzzing coming around at random through the air is often way more prominent than any hissing caused by effects and/or amps.

Suggestion #4: I have tried several/most of the noise gates out there. It occurred to me the other day that the only ones I have not tried are the Rocktron/Hush series.
My brief reviews:
ISP Decimator pedal: Did not like it, Did not have a smooth decay, and sputtered out at the end and fade out of notes. Popular with the metal rawker guys (read on for more).
MXR Smart Gate: I really wanted to like this one, but it would not have worked for me. Too touchy, and premature cut off of notes.
TC Electronics Sentry: Boy, what a major disappointment. I have not tried one, or even seen one. So why do I say this? Because of the absolute crap documentation and YT videos for this pedal. It *appears* that it is a multi band tunable pedal, where you can tune out the offending frequency band or bands. I say *appears*. Starting with the official TC video on YT, all you get is a nonsensical demo/audition for some chugga chugga metal rawker in his Mommy's basement, with no actual explanation of how the thing actually works. I have not seen any other YT vids where the person actually dives into the pedal to show how it works. Yoo-hoo......We know the basics of a noise gate. Why don't you show us how yours is different? And why we should spend our money on you.
Speaking of the TC and tunable bands: I wonder if a 31 band graphic EQ or a parametric EQ would do the same thing? Find the offending buzz, and tune it out. Anybody try this? I have actually sort of done this during/after recording. It seems like it would work (withing reason).
What did I settle on? I have two Boss NS-2s. I got them for cheap, but the bottom line is that they work for me. I have one at the beginning of my pedal chain to cancel out any noise that the guitar of choice is picking up. I have one at the end of the chain to cancel out any noise from any pedals being used. I use one or both or none as required. They seem to be more dynamic than the other pedals mentioned, and fade out smoothly with no chopping/sputtering.

If you play with some dynamics you might find the Boss to be the best for you.
If you are doing chugga chugga speed/death/kill/thrash metal, you don't really care about dynamics anyway, in which case any of them will probably work.


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Feb 15th, 2018 08:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This

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Cal-Woody

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Feb 15th, 2018 09:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One other issue I have had is my proximity to my amp. When we are practicing and I'm standing near my amp, I can't get the noise down but when I'm on stage, the noise factor is very low and I get the sound I want without all the crappy buzz.
High gain and amp proximity are my enemies! Lol, especially with single coil pups. Humbuckers lessen the issue but the problem is still there, but having some distance between me and my amp helps immensely.
The Rocktron Hush pedal works well and also have the rackmount version that I acquired from a radio station. I'll sometimes use it when we are in a heavy ladened lit stage, where the lights and other electrical obstructions create all kinds of electrical noise and use the Hush unit to quiet down the background noise when we are not playing or talking with the audience. It really works well and is in the rack, ready to be engaged if we encounter this situation. I have the pedal version for when I have to do heavy distortion intros and the pauses between phrases need to be quiet. A very nice tool to have on your board!
It doesn't affect your tone and place it in the effects loop on my board. I haven't really ever learned to use my compressor/noise gate to any great extent and don't like what it does to my clean sound, but have seen where it can be a great utility when a high quality unit was used, but I still suck at adjusting mine and am going to take it off of my pedal board. Yeah, it can be used to help with some volume losses and act as a boost of sorts, but have never had good results yet and when playing clean rythym, it just makes everything sound SO STERILE!
Try the Hush pedal and enjoy it when you need the quiet times.

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GospelBilly!
Feb 15th, 2018 12:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Leftee - I wish, but this band gets pretty heavy (an all original act).

larryguitar19 - I was wondering the same thing, but I think my current rig is just a hair too tame. OR . . . it's just another excuse to BUY MORE GEAR! (:oD

ejm & Cal-Woody - Thanks for the detailed info.

I use the volume control on my guitar for leads and to accentuate riffs. I also roll my volume back for clean or almost clean parts. Yep, totally OLD SCHOOL.

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Feb 16th, 2018 01:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I tried a Boss Noise Suppressor and nixed it right away. It does reduce the noise but also it chokes off all the soft notes and a lot of the decay."

I put my NS-2 after the tuner and before any of the signal processors. No issue with echo since it's downstream.
I also have no fuzz or distortion boxes, all the drive is from the amp, so a stray 'bizz' from the guitar does make bit of noise if the NS-2 is off.

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Feb 16th, 2018 07:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I HAVE the TC Electronic Sentry and LOVE it! Highly tunable, great attack threshold AND decay, stereo capable for loops, etc.

Just my $.02 ...

reverendrob
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Feb 17th, 2018 12:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Do you have clean power?

5Strats
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GospelBilly!
Feb 17th, 2018 05:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Rob - Please explain "clean power"?

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Feb 17th, 2018 06:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you've got an old house with noisy wiring some of the hum just comes through the amp - no noise gate will fix all of it.

I have an MXR noise gate (not the smart gate, a more basic one). I don't really use it much and have put it up for sale. It can choke notes like the smart gate, but they all do that.

5Strats
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GospelBilly!
Feb 18th, 2018 05:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The hiss issue arose at practice for this new band I'm playing. The band leader's house was built in the '00s. (My house was built in 2005.)

Old wiring isn't the problem.

ps - I'm thinking of returning the Friedman BE OD because this new band will now have a rhythm guitarist, thus allowing me to use less gain (and used my old favorite OD pedal).

steve_crocker

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Feb 19th, 2018 03:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey David, I use Boss noise suppressor on my board for White Ether. I have it set really low on threshold and decay, almost off and it still kills any unwanted noise without affecting tone. I do notice a slight overall volume drop but thats not a problem to me, just turn amp up a bit. In fact i use it to my advantage sometimes for solos. When i need even more output to cut i just turn suppressor off and it gives me a boost in volume.

edited to add the boss has its own loop in which you run the "noisy" pedals. Mine has my OD pedals, trem and flanger in it.

(This message was last edited by steve_crocker at 05:43 PM, Feb 19th, 2018)

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Feb 19th, 2018 04:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

5Strats, glad to hear it's not the wiring because that's a bigger fix! I only brought it up to explain what Rob meant by "clean power."

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Feb 20th, 2018 05:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And there's a section in this youtube vid from That Pedal Show about how pedals can amplify the noise from their own power supply, worth a look. In fact each of the That Pedal Show videos that I've seen is a goldmine of information about tech and tone.

Youtube video, That Pedal Show, How to power your pedals

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GospelBilly!
Feb 20th, 2018 06:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

steve_crocker - Thanks, that's really helpful.

Thanks to BrentD and vomer too.

gdw3

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Feb 20th, 2018 12:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have the ISP G-String Decimator, and it's pretty amazing. You really can't tell it's there at low threshholds. There's a version II now, where you can link them together in a stereo setup. It looks like the EHX and TC versions linked above do similar things, which is sample the incoming guitar signal and compare it to the effected signal. That's where you get more than a simple noise gate. At least on the ISP, you still maintain all the pick attack and note trails. Very nice.

reverendrob
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Feb 20th, 2018 12:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Clean power isn't just new wiring, it's local grid and a host of factors.

When in doubt, I test stuff with a battery powered amp and nothing on the mains.

That said, for gate, I'm happy with the built-in options (two on the GT-100, so you can add them where you want and adjust to minimal, including the effects loop on it) on my multis.

They do a better job for me than any of the pedals I've ever tried.


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