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Leftee
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Feb 9th, 2018 12:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

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Feb 9th, 2018 05:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Kind of shocking that this question needs to be asked. He had (or at least appeared to have) the power to make or break a career. That put women into situations where they could either be pressured into sex, or outright raped.

To answer the OP’s question, what he has that you don’t will hopefully be his name on the sex offender registry.

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Feb 9th, 2018 05:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You see the same sort of thing in the corporate world. Usually not as egregious as this example.

Power is powerful.

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Feb 9th, 2018 06:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The same pressure is applied to the common folk as well .... the manager who demands sex from his female employees if they want to keep the crappy jobs they need to feed their families, for instance.



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Feb 9th, 2018 06:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A big problem, as I see it, is that as soon as an accusation is made there is a presumption of guilt. I would guess that much of it is deserved but some of it is not.

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Feb 9th, 2018 06:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Things women wanted?

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Feb 9th, 2018 06:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm guessing HW's behavior has ranged from inappropriate to criminal. I find the timing of the "me too" movement curious. Women have been empowered to push back on such scummery for a long time, no? Why not say, 10 or more years ago? Did people try and the movement just didn't get traction?

I think people in power, or even the perception of power have a certain expectation/entitlement. These people not only have skeletons in their closet, they like to pull them out and rattle the bones like trophies. It really is a detestable, and largely male quality.

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Feb 9th, 2018 06:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My wife is VP of Human Resources for a corporation with about 80 employees. Prior she was a mid level exec with MAcy's as field rep of sorts.. also handling employee issues. She has a different perspective on "old" claims of abuse given that the mechanism for handling this has been in place for many years.

She has a zero tolerance as does the company. Interesting how much of what is brought to her is aged or simply unfounded.

All of it is disgusting.

What HW has that I don't have is a sickness called egomania and I do not have the desire to place vulnerable people in a position of peril.
Nor do I want my name on the front page of the newspaper or magazines for whatever reason.




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Feb 9th, 2018 06:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Things women wanted?"

That too..


BTW I was stalked... try getting someone to listen to that and take action. My attorney managed to get it under control.

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Feb 9th, 2018 06:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I'm guessing HW's behavior has ranged from inappropriate to criminal. I find the timing of the "me too" movement curious. Women have been empowered to push back on such scummery for a long time, no? Why not say, 10 or more years ago? Did people try and the movement just didn't get traction?"

So an actress gets brave enough to say HW did something inappropriate in the press.
That person would never work again, since the studio heads are all in the big "social club" called 'Hollywood'. And then the reverse backlash of blaming the victim would start:
"Why did you go to his hotel room?"
"Why didn't you leave when you felt weird or threatened?"
And the victims also think, "oh, he only did it to me, that one time..." and carry that with them.

So one person decides to throw caution to the wind and actually tell her story, hoping for a little validation from others. I don't think anyone was expecting the deluge and how far back the allegations went. And the consistencies of the stories also worked in the victims' favor.


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Feb 9th, 2018 07:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Too many see it as power... they do not understand the concept of responsibility so they are abusive.

Power vs Responsibility... huge difference.

They deserve all the negative reactions they get.

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Feb 9th, 2018 07:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Power, fame and money. That's what the disgusting bastige had.

It can't be forgotten though that he was a product of a culture in tinseltown that was clearly well aware of, and collectively did nothing to curb, behavior such as his for decades. Small wonder it took that long for an effective push-back to gain traction.

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Feb 9th, 2018 08:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I’d hate to be perceived as being on old Harve's side but in most situations involving women OR men there are usually plenty of "carrot" danglers out there if you have any sort of pull to help them get what they want. Sometimes it can be a pretty small thing to something that can bring down a business or career.
It’s natural for both parties to be ashamed and want to hide it until they get angry enough to come forward.
I’ve always thought it funny when I’d see this sort of thing come to light because the high road is the high road and if you turn off it you know it no matter what.
At least now there are usually departments in companies to curb this behavior.
The only thing that bothers me is how can you prove innocence in the case it never occurred when the accusations are generally perceived as being gospel?

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Feb 9th, 2018 11:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"It's not the crime, it's the accusation."

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Feb 9th, 2018 11:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This is a case of a megalomaniac, unrestrained, and without any sence of decency. Much like the dictators and Caesars of old Rome.

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Feb 9th, 2018 12:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The new organization #leaf me alone, has sprouted amid the reports of Harvey Weinstein's spontaneous spraying of his DNA on innocent potted plants.

"I was rooted to the spot, said Marigold, whose last name was withheld ...."he treated me like crabgrass ... it took a pound of fertilizer to make me feel clean again."

Peace Lilly, speaking from a nearby patch of sunlight, echoed the anguish of her sister plant.
"We're commonly mistreated.... denied water, moved from place to place without being asked ...but I would rather be infested with aphids than to see the shocking display of that particular asparagus again!"

Weinstein's attorney declined to comment directly on the incidents, saying only that Harvey had an unhealthy interest in his mother's tulip bulbs as a youngster.

growth spurt

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Feb 9th, 2018 12:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hollywierd, it never ceases to amaze.

HW, what a slime ball. Not all of these "actresses" are marigolds and lilies, some are/were venus fly traps. Not so innocent and unaware of what was going on and did their deeds just to get the job.

That being said to use a position of influence and power in this way is just plain sick.



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Feb 9th, 2018 02:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Paul Sorvino has said that his daughter Mira lost out on some great roles because she did not give in to Weinstein. He says she was more or less blackballed in Hollywood because of Weinstein.

Makes you respect Mira more and wonder about the rest of the Hollywood starlets.

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Feb 9th, 2018 02:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"HW, what a slime ball. Not all of these "actresses" are marigolds and lilies, some are/were venus fly traps. Not so innocent and unaware of what was going on and did their deeds just to get the job."

Listen, there's a reason he acted the way he acted. It probably worked a lot of the time. I am sure there were plenty of actresses that said gee, all I have to do is sleep with this gross old man and I get a great job, and they did it.

Do that a hundred times, and now HW thinks EVERY actress will do it, or at least that its worth a shot.

Even so, the worst part of the whole #MeToo thing is that all of the accused are being lumped together. If one guy tried to seduce a girl and kissed her and she felt pressured to do it because of the guy's position, that's one thing. Another guy pleasuring himself in front of someone is another thing. Outright rape like HW is accused of is something totally different.

Yet, all of these guys are getting lumped into one category. I don't think any of it is right, or is correct professional behavior, but in every other facet of life, these things are not in the same category, yet now, they seem to be.

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Feb 9th, 2018 02:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's called a casting couch. Open secret in the industry. Women and men know and knew about it for decades.

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