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Therealfrogman
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Pulu si bagumba!
Mar 16th, 2018 07:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

Nice!

Mick Reid
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American-made in Oz!!
Mar 16th, 2018 07:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm still dialling it in but it's getting there.

I'm not happy with the top load bridge, but fortunately that unit is top and string-through so I'll be changing it to the latter. I have string ferrules on order.

It's heavy (3.8kg) so I may look at some weight relief under the guard, but not fully decided yet.

I labelled it "v1.0" because it *is* going to change. A work in progress if you will :^)


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Mar 16th, 2018 08:21 PM   Edit   Profile  

Nice work Mick. Really like the color.

Peegoo
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Mar 16th, 2018 09:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

Excellent work!

Mick Reid
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Mar 16th, 2018 10:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks guys.

Hopefully I'll get it playing as nice as it looks!

(it's almost there)


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Mar 17th, 2018 06:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

Beautiful!

Therealfrogman
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Pulu si bagumba!
Mar 17th, 2018 02:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

"I'm not happy with the top load bridge, but fortunately that unit is top and string-through so I'll be changing it to the latter. I have string ferrules on order."

Mick, is it a sound issue or playing issue?

Mick Reid
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Mar 17th, 2018 05:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

frogman, I wondered if anyone would ask :^)

I can't intonate the G string (and consequently the D string) properly because the "knot" from the twists on the string end is riding up onto the saddle.

I have to shift the D/G saddle forward enough to not contact said knot, leaving the intonation slightly (and noticeably) sharp.

Switching it to string-through will eliminate this as the twisty bit of the strings will be inside the body.

The only other remedy is to move the bridge further back, but the bridge pickup route would only allow about 4mm before it became exposed then creating another problem to be fixed.

The body came with the bridge pickup route done, so it dictated the bridge placement for the most part.
FWIW, I measured everything within this realm prior to carrying out any work and thought it would be fine.
I did not foresee the string end issue. A good lesson for me.

This project has not been without its little hurdles that required problem solving, but that's half the fun. (at least, sometimes :^)

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 07:05 PM, Mar 17th, 2018)

Therealfrogman
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Pulu si bagumba!
Mar 17th, 2018 05:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

Hmmm. Well I suspect that the majority of string makers are close to each other unless "Hey, works great but only with ernie ball-less strings, hope you enjoy it"

I am excited to know this since I have a body coming with no string thru... I am and have been leaning towards a bigsby which I think would make this a non problem, but then again I am undecided decided entirely anti-decided-erd.

No I don't drink i just cant type and all the words I type look weird ;-)

What brand of strings do you use? I use D'addario. You could take the ends off an old set and use them as spacers and run the strings thru em, kinda a hassle.

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Mar 17th, 2018 05:49 PM   Edit   Profile  

Is it possible to insert the problem strings from front to back, then over the top of the bridge and onto the saddles? I did this with one of my "builds" and it worked very well. YMMV

Nice looking Tele !!

Mick Reid
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Mar 17th, 2018 06:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Henry. I thought about that, but haven't tried it.
My reason for not is concern for lessening the break angle behind the saddle. Can't hurt to give it a go though.

edit: Just had a closer look. There would almost zero angle coming over the top of the tray of the bridge. :^(

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 08:33 PM, Mar 17th, 2018)

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Mar 17th, 2018 06:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, run the string through an old string ball before you thread it into the bridge.

It will move the string wraps back off the saddle about 4mm, which may get you enough wiggle room for you to intonate.

Mick Reid
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Mar 17th, 2018 08:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks P.
I thought about making a small bar with holes in it out of some 3mm flat brass I have to do the same thing.

I’d rather put the work in making it a string-through and be done with it, but the extra 3-4mm you mentioned is indeed all it will need.

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 11:13 PM, Mar 17th, 2018)

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Mar 18th, 2018 06:00 AM   Edit   Profile  

Nice looking Tele Mick!

Mick Reid
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Mar 18th, 2018 04:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

To quote myself:
"Hopefully I'll get it playing as nice as it looks!"

Things are settling down after final assembly and being under string tension for a few days.

Apart from the intonation issue mentioned above (which I'll fix this week) the over feel and playability is very good. The pickups sound great too. (I had them in a different guitar before, so I mostly knew what to expect)

I've calculated that I can knock off over half a pound by some creative routing under the guard. That would bring it in at about 7.8 lbs.

Haven't completely committed to that yet though.
Progress continues...


Charente
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Mar 20th, 2018 07:00 AM   Edit   Profile  

Great looking Tele.

Re making it string through, how do you intend to drill it out to make sure the ferrules end up regularly spaced?

I've a long term project for a string through build and I've found on test pieces is that the drill tends to wander a little even using a drill press.

Te 52

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Mar 20th, 2018 11:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

There are several tutorials on YooToob regarding drilling ferrule holes (link). Quality varies, but you can look them over and pick and choose from the best ideas.

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Mar 20th, 2018 11:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

Mick, just a thought: if you need to remove weight and are considering taking it from under the guard, you could maybe rout for a '72 Custom' style guard which covers a lot more area and potential weight removal. I've never done it but it looks like it would cover the original control rout. And they look cool, which is important. V2.0 perhaps?

Mick Reid
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Mar 20th, 2018 05:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

Charente,

I'll do it with a drill press. I'm pretty confident it will be fine.

I am absolutely OCD when it comes to drilling anywhere into a guitar. When I do my layout of the holes, I measure *everything* about 16 times.

Before I even power up the drill press I:

Lower the bit so the tip is *just* kissing the mark. I turn the chuck by hand (in reverse) and make sure the rotation of the bit is staying true to the mark.

Move the work accordingly and tighten my clamps.

Re-check everything another 10 times (not really 10, but you get the picture)

Cross fingers & hold breath :^)

Drill!

No one would ever pay me by the hour in a machine shop!

vomer,

I'm still debating on the weight relief routing but I'm not really a fan of that '72 style guard.
However that would allow for the most removal of material. Thanks


Mick Reid
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Mar 30th, 2018 12:35 AM   Edit   Profile  

UPDATE:

Well, got it all sorted now. Converted it to a string-through and it intonates perfectly (as perfect as it gets with these things).
Sadly I did have an issue with one of my ferrule holes, so there's one that's a little off centre :^(
The through holes were spot-on, but somehow I managed to get a bit of wander in the one ferrule hole.

I routed out some wood for weight relief and dropped half a pound. A noticeable difference.

Whilst I had it apart, I reshaped the shoulder of the heel on the neck (if that makes sense) so it's more comfortable going up where the neck meets the pocket.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with the build. It was a cheap kit from China, and required a bit of troubleshooting, which was actually good for challenging me.

I ditched 90% of the included hardware and installed quality parts I already had. With the set up and hardware upgrades, it's playing and sounding very nicely.
For an investment of under 200 bucks, I think I did okay!

Now... what to build next????


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