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Leftee
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Feb 4th, 2018 04:34 AM   Edit   Profile  

What is the deal with train travel in this country!?!

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ECS-3
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Feb 4th, 2018 04:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

Just saw that. And I have an AMTRAK coast to coast trip coming up in the near future :O

When my girlfriend hears this it's gonna make it hard to get her on the train.

Me? I figure when your number is up it's up.

(This message was last edited by ECS-3 at 06:39 AM, Feb 4th, 2018)

Leftee
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Feb 4th, 2018 06:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

Apparently it’s up sooner if you travel on Amtrak rather than a U.S. airline.

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Feb 4th, 2018 07:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

Passenger train vs a big, heavy, honkin freight? Not a good plan!

Leftee
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Feb 4th, 2018 07:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

I guess the big question is, “how did we get to this rail safety situation?”

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Feb 4th, 2018 09:02 AM   Edit   Profile  

One thing to keep in mind is that AMTRAK owns / operates very little physical track, they run on host RR tracks.

So, if that is CSX track, then CSX might be part of the problem. Have to wait (years?) to find out who was asleep at the switch.

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Feb 4th, 2018 09:15 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yea, so I looked this up in the back of the AMTRAK timetables.

AMTRAK Train 91 is a New York to Miami train that runs daily, so it's a regular train that runs every day.

The section from Raleigh, NC to DeLand, FL is CSX track. So the traffic cop would be CSX.

(This message was last edited by ECS-3 at 11:17 AM, Feb 4th, 2018)

Leftee
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Feb 4th, 2018 02:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

It looks like the Amtrak train ran in to a parked CSX train.

So incredibly sad.

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Feb 4th, 2018 02:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

With all the safety controls being utilized I just don't see how this could happen.

Leftee
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Feb 4th, 2018 02:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

Repeatedly!

There's been articles on the lax safety culture at Amtrak. But when does anything change?

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Feb 4th, 2018 03:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

Not to derail this, but a government bureaucracy runs Amtrak

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Feb 4th, 2018 03:35 PM   Edit   Profile  

It’s a public corporation run by professional railroaders. Big difference.

Leftee
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Feb 4th, 2018 03:38 PM   Edit   Profile  

We’ve been doing “train” in this country longer than any other more of land transportation.

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Feb 4th, 2018 03:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

Reports are coming in that the current signal system was cut out to allow PTC installation work, and that trains were operating under track warrant authority (a manual dispatch and deconflict process.)

I'm going to predict that someone screwed up and left a switch open, either the CSX freight crew or (if the switch was remotely operated) the dispatcher. That this was an Amtrak train will end up having no bearing on the accident, it could have just as easily been another freight.

Leftee
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Feb 4th, 2018 03:44 PM   Edit   Profile  

I saw that news too. It easily could have been a CSX train.

Dang autocorrect!

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Feb 4th, 2018 03:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

" The National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) is a government-owned corporation established in 1971 to provide intercity passenger train service throughout the United States. The name Amtrak comes from a combination of “American” and “track.” "

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Feb 4th, 2018 04:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

“government-owned corporation”

HeavyDuty
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Feb 4th, 2018 04:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

double tap

(This message was last edited by HeavyDuty at 06:07 PM, Feb 4th, 2018)

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Feb 5th, 2018 06:59 AM   Edit   Profile  

Again, keep in mind that CSX runs the switches and signals. AMTRAK doesn't own much, if any actual right of way / track. The tracks they run on are listed in the back of the AMTRAK timetables.

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Feb 5th, 2018 07:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

Economy is doing well, freight traffic is up. More and longer trains keeping the rails busy. Add in antiquated control systems, tracks in disrepair and you have your recipe for disaster.

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